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Originally posted by an3rkist
Archaeological evidence also supports the existence of ancient Greece, but their myths are not widely accepted. By your logic, their myths should be believed as much as those of the Bible's.
www.ancient-greece.org...
Originally posted by idle_rocker
Nice thread BW. Much of the bible historical references have indeed been shown to be true through archeological findings. I think some of the problem may lie in the fact that the different writers of the Bible all had different writing styles, just as all authors do today.
Originally posted by idle_rocker
There are also prophecies written in the Bible that are confirmed in great number. The Old Testament was largely a historical record of the Israeli people and prophecy about the future messiah.
Did the greeks prophecy the coming of a savior? No. Did they prophecy anything that was written later and then later proven true? No. The Greeks were pagan, so what they believed and what archeology has shown as far as their existence has no bearing on whether the Bible is true. If anything, it proves that archeology is a good source for proving the existence of ancient civilizations...which would then also support the Bible.
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God (elohim) stands in the divine council (literally, council of El);
among the gods (elohim) He pronounces judgment.
2 How long will you (plural) judge unjustly,
showing favor to the wicked? Selah.
3 Judge the wretched and the orphan,
vindicate the lowly and the poor,
4rescue the wretched and the needy;
save them from the hand of the wicked.
5 They neither know nor understand,
they go about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth totter.
6 I said, “you (plural) gods (elohim),
sons of the Most High (beney Elyon), all of you (plural);
7but you (plural) shall die as men do,
fall like any prince.
8 Arise (the command is singular), O God (elohim),
judge (the command is singular) the earth,
for you (singular) shall inherit all the nations.
Originally posted by NewWorldOver
How can a Bible that has been edited by the Vatican, by Roman emperors, written by multiple authors and translated many times, be the word of God? If it WERE the word of God it has been irreparably damaged.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
...if you know how to interpret it correctly.
Originally posted by an3rkist
Originally posted by idle_rocker
There are also prophecies written in the Bible that are confirmed in great number. The Old Testament was largely a historical record of the Israeli people and prophecy about the future messiah.
Did the greeks prophecy the coming of a savior? No. Did they prophecy anything that was written later and then later proven true? No. The Greeks were pagan, so what they believed and what archeology has shown as far as their existence has no bearing on whether the Bible is true. If anything, it proves that archeology is a good source for proving the existence of ancient civilizations...which would then also support the Bible.
Well that's all well and good, assuming you can prove to me that Jesus was a Messiah. The logic in this argument is so inherently flawed that it blows my mind. You expect to sway us skeptics with claims of prophecy which are only verified if you believe the myths in the first place.
Originally posted by marg6043
One question, are you Israeli or Jew? because as you know the old testament is the historical accounts of the Iraeli people from the time line of their place in earth to their blood line and relationship with their God.
So for the Israelis is ok to believe this stories, but for people like me that I have nothing to do with the Jews and Israel their stories are as good to me as the Chicken with the six toes that preceded some Africans versions of the their Genesis.
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Bigwhammy
I see now, you are bringing you own type of religion with your own religious interpretations.
And I thought this was a great topic for conspiracies, I see you are now the conspiracy in religion.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
My opinion on the Genesis creation account is about the preparation of the Garden not the creation of the universe.
Originally posted by idle_rocker
And you're right about swaying the skeptics that don't believe myths in the first place. But you are the one that brought up the Greek mythology, so actually your logic is flawed.
It takes reading and studying the Bible, compared with multiple other sources of material to come to a conclusion that the Bible is not a myth. But it's much easier to just assume it's a myth than it is to study to find the truth.
Originally posted by an3rkist
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How is my logic flawed? I merely stated that in order for your argument to hold any ground the people you were trying to convince would have to have your same beliefs to start off with. I brought up Greek mythology to prove the point that archaeological evidence of civilizations in no way proves or even lends remote credence to the mystical/mythical aspects of scripture. I fail to see how that logic is flawed, especially in the context of your sentence.
Okay, here is what I based that answer on. Your original quote was:
Originally posted by an3rkist
"Archaeological evidence also supports the existence of ancient Greece, but their myths are not widely accepted. By your logic, their myths should be believed as much as those of the Bible's."
Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by that. I took that to mean that if we believe the Bible, we should also believe greek mythology. I don't see how greek mythology is germaine to a document (the Bible) that has not been proven mythological, but greek mythology is always taken as such.
It takes reading and studying the Bible, compared with multiple other sources of material to come to a conclusion that the Bible is not a myth. But it's much easier to just assume it's a myth than it is to study to find the truth.
I hope you're not assuming I haven't read the Bible thoroughly. I haven't been critical of religion my whole life, or even the greater part of it.
Certainly since I don't know you, I can't even assume you haven't read the Bible or studied it. But there are many who don't study anything, and still hold to the accusation that the Bible is myth. I am not judging you, my friend.
Originally posted by idle_rocker
I took that to mean that if we believe the Bible, we should also believe greek mythology. I don't see how greek mythology is germaine to a document (the Bible) that has not been proven mythological, but greek mythology is always taken as such.