Non Christians What If The Bible Is True?

reply to post by Christian Voice

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The bible also says it is ok to stone disobedient children to death and that slavery is ok to have around.
Perfect sense.

What i gather, you are sort of right I think. Revelation is sort of about that. The beast (Vatican Papacy I think) and the beast that forces everyone in the world (USA really fits description) to enforce the mark of the first beast.

reply to post by Christian Voice

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Bingo. It comes down to the love of sin. Pure and simple. Before I was a Christian I would use some of the same arguments I hear here. I had never even read the Bible but I thought I was qualified to criticize it. The truth was I just didn't want to follow the rules.

It takes work to understand the Bible. Until you've done that you can not make a good decision. There is a conspiracy to keep you from ever finding out. If you accept the word of the critics without your own investigation you are giving in. Now that I have some perspective I see the rules differently. The rules are to protect you from harm not to keep you from having fun. You do not have to give up anything worth keeping.

reply to post by Christian Voice

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No offence but what right do you have to tell anyone who to mate with or live with or care about . If you wanted to help and stand out you would stick up for these people that are fighting for there rights just as women and blacks did in the past.

I dont have issues with people using it as a guide . And/or teaching the good that can come from it . Just dont be so defensive please .

I appreciate the op admitting he could be wrong. Just as anyone should . But i guess the meaning of good is (to me) Someone that makes the right choices for the right reasons , protects life and generally improves the quality of life for the people around them . You really cant judge someone without either feeling like your better or worse off than them . Your view will always be bias. As there is noone else that is you.

Neither of our stories are easy to translate into words i suppose.


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Sin is an illusion. Its all in your perception.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

That's becuase the Bible records accounts of life in the pre-Roman era and beyond... consider which civilizations could have imparted that decree into the Bible? Plenty of civilizations stoned people and hung them, etc. What's your point? The Bible is not a decree from God to murder people. Only simpletons try to cast such accusations at an ancient collection of texts

Keep thinking simple. It's nice and easy on the brain.
Simple simple simple...

You show a complete lack of understanding. There were reasons for those things. Until you do serious study you are just foaming at the mouth.

No it does not. You are assuming something from something you heard. you know what assuming does don't you? Show me where you believe the Bible says it's ok to stone a child to death and that slavery is ok.

reply to post by Christian Voice

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www.evilbible.com...

What do you expect from complete lack of experience or study? Complete lack of understanding.

I do not subscribe, enforce, preach any religion... but I understand all of them because I took the time to educate myself.

If you ask me, the world is full of amateurs posturing as experts. Religion is rife with such people, including the Atheists who 'refute' them by leaning on outdated, archaic, and unfounded aspects of ancient religion.

What does ancient customs in long gone civilizations have to do with the modern reality of a morally corrupt society? Nothing.

But because this is a morally corrupt society, people would just as soon highlight something barbaric from the bible with a red marker and say "Yeah, that's why all spiritual science is bogus. Because people were cruel thousands of years ago. Screw religion, screw the soul, I don't want to hear any of that noise."

Have it your way... you're still amateurs discussing a topic that has been under intense discussion for thousands of years. God or no God, you're wasting your time spittling about things you've never bothered to study.

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Heres a decent run down from yahoo answers.
answers.yahoo.com...





I like the way he layed this out . Pretty evenly





[edit on 8-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

What gives me the right?
Let's start off with this....... God is the only judge. I do not judge anyone. As Christians we are able to discern right from wrong. Actually as a human I can discern right from wrong. I'm not here to debate homosexuality, I mentioned it only because it is a SIN according to the Bible. I happen to believe that the Bible is true. Does that make me not Love someone, certainly not. If your child does what you tell him not to do, do you punish him, YES, do you stop Loving him, NO.
You can like someone passionately that you do not Love, and you can Love someone truly that you don't like.
I don't walk up to homosexuals or wiccans and start ranting about their sinful life. If I'm asked I will express what I believe and what the Bible says.

reply to post by NewWorldOver

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I am sorry you feel that way. I beg to differ. There is a God and everything counts.

I don't know how he will judge exactly but I believe he has given us forewarning and the standard by which he will judge. If you choose to ignore it, that's a choice you have made.

I am glad you feel like it wasn't made in ignorance. My fear is many here are making a choice on ignorance. I want to deny it.

In the Old Testament, there was no redemtion for sin. Sin had to be punished immediately. After Jesus arrived and died for our sins, he became the redeamer. Sin cannot enter Heaven. Jesus took them from his children. Not really nullifying the Old Testament because he said to continue to adhere to it, but he made it possible for us to be redeamed.

well as a non christian it realy dosent matter if the bible is true or not ,
if its a real event explaining book then most christians are not following gods will which is very hypocritical
if its NOT a real event explaining book then your all still hypocrits for not followuing your own religion ..


any ways heres a few information snippets for enjoyment

www.youtube.com...

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new age " jesus " worship is far from christianity

any ways as christians you are slaves of jewish religius propaganda

So you think that even tho im a good person . And do good things help my fellow man . And dont read your bible . God would send me to burn with all these so called sinners . Just cause i failed to read a book . That dont seem like a just and loving father to me . And i belive that there could be something out there . I just dont think you guys are going about this the right way.

To believe and fallow is your choice. Now if the bible is right . Then Christianity itself could be the devils work in disguise


I guess i could never worship a god that would turn his back on his children . That he made in his image. Kind of reminds me of a street gang . The second you turn your back everyone is against you cause they want to save them selfs.

[BTW. thats to the guy that commented on my sig. It was a weird thought i had one day that sounded as plausible and any other theories i have heard ]







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reply to post by Bigwhammy

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Listen:

You see us as a lost cause while we see you as a lost cause. This arguement can/will go on and on as it has been going on everywhere else. This isn't the first thread this has happened in and it won't be the last. I can tell that there will be no actual progress on this thread as we will both cling to our beliefs on the matter.

I'm done.

reply to post by truthsetfree2009

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what is important is that we dont let our differences come between us and cause those splits and conflict and thus hampering progress overall.

theres so many people who hold progress back who arnt christians,so many people hold all kinds of bronze age beliefs,hell a large proportion of that we do believe was created by the greco-roman and mesopotanian cultures- between 1500 and 3500 years ago!.democracy,mathematics,logic and so much more as we know it was diffined within those eras,the way you think was created by scholars such as euclides and aristole,the whole system of scientific classification was invented by him!.

we must learn to co exist along aside each other accepting our differences lest all this negative conflict will just continue.we need to learn to listen to each other,just listen,we all came from the same place,the stars,and were all going to one place,the stars...the journey inbetween is both ectasy and agony and its what defines us.

reply to post by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR

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I don't believe the Bible teaches that people burn in hell- it's really not a Biblical teaching. But it takes work to see that. I went back to the original languages.

What you need to ask yourself. Is have you honestly ever tried to understand it.

I can not explain it to you or spoon feed it to you. It takes some hard work to understand it.

If there a tiny chance it is true - you owe it to yourself to do dome investigation with an open mind.

reply to post by welivefortheson

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Thank you

Something we can all agree on

reply to post by truthsetfree2009

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I don't see you as a lost cause at all or I wouldn't bother. I am doing this because I hope it might help someone receive eternal life.

What is the motivation for arguing against it I wonder?