This is not a chemtrail! Atmospheric Phenomenen explained

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But how do they relate to high level contrails/cirrus clouds and related phenomena?

Oh, they don't. Not at all. In fact what you've done is shown that is chemtrails do exist we wouldn't see them - raising the possibility that all those claiming contrails are chemtrails are disinformations deliberately trying to divert your attention!

The interesting thing is how nearly all chemtrails threads revolve not around the possibility of chemicals being sprayed, but on whether contrails are proof such chemicals are being sprayed

Looks like the disinformationists have succeeded in making you look in the wrong direction!

That is our local weatherman on ABC action news here in Tampa.

They are spraying heavily and often. I can't comprehend how people can let others talk them out of what they are seeing with their own eyes. Please people follow your gut feeling as it is instinct.

As far as spraying during the day the answer is simple. They have limited tanker planes and maximum sky to cover. Factor in refueling, reloading and logistics.

I too do not believe these are laid by commercial aircraft. It would appear to be more of a fleet of converted military/NATO aircraft.

Due to the media blackout, denial, disinfo and misdirection campaign one can only think of the most ominous conclusion.

Disinformationist, eh?

You are kidding, right?

We the people who see a different sky with a phenomena of potential hazard to our health putting our heads together to attempt to gather information is nothing like disinfo.

Quite the opposite. Why would we want to do that? Spread disinfo? What would be the motive? Generally disinfo is used to steer folks away from the truth.

Look at all the ATS chemtrail threads and see just who is posting what and it isn't hard to figure out who is about what.

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to me it looks like the open spaces resemble iron filings near a magnet. are you sure its not magnetic in nature?

Exactly. For them to be doing the alleged spraying over the UK alone would involve hundreds of aircraft .....

Those that understand meteorological processes say they're not chemtrails, those who don't know their fibratus from their floccus say they are chemtrails ...
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Meanwhile, you ignore the poisoning of your air from factories and cars and climate change inadvertently caused by commercial aircraft .....

You took me out of context. I was referring to the question of if they are spraying why do they do it in broad daylight. Limited mil/NATO planes. Trust me they spray heavily overnight. Many of morning I have woken up to a chemclouded sky and a sunrise destroyed (matter of fact more often then not )

Surprisingly a well laid chem cloud disperses to a very wide radius with minimal winds. Plus it seems once saturation is reached the lingering effects last for a good day or so. At that point they seem to play maintenance with it.

Also noted they didn;t spray today! Let's see what tomorrow brings for once sunny and beautiful Florida skies.

Nice spin though!

UB

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And that my friends is the bottom line...


Not sure what's so difficult in understanding that spraying that high up won't have any affect on anything on the surface except more cloud cover and a bit more warming.

The cloud seeding and stuff happens about 15-20,000 feet below what people are claiming to be chemtrails.

Simply stuff. But people are so intent on having the government trying to kill us, they're willing to believe anything. Do government workers walk around with some sort of special suit that protects them from these chemtrails or are they spraying themselves too?

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Sorry, but my point is still valid: just how many aircraft are involved?

And in any case, in the UK, they seem to mimic commercial airliners - so where do the commercial airliners go at the time?

Only possible conclusion IMO is that chemtrails are laid by commercial airliners (it cannot be coincidence that they are most prevalent in areas with high frequency of commercial air traffic) - but only on certain days, presumably meaning they have devices to turn on and off these chemtrails.

So, every large airliner in the world can produce chemtrails at will and yet not one single person has ever found evidence of this?

I have no idea how many are involved. I can speak from my personal experience here in the Bay area though.

Usually 2 and occasionally 4 planes are used here. This is on top of commuter aircraft which I love seeing simultaneously as I can watch there contrail dissipate in under a minute max while the spray planes cloud the sky.

Once again I do not think commuter/retail planes are doing this. They are MIL/NATO conversion aircraft laying the trails.

I can only hope this is for weather modification purposes. Regardless this should be made public. The public that couldn't handle information like this should in no way hinder my questions for answers.

That's like saying all the people who know engineering agree 9/11 was not an inside job. It's just plain and simple a lie based on the convenience that there will always be more people protecting the current idea we have of our world and society.

I'd call it an appeal to authority, but that would be an overstatement, it's just a weak and baseless argument.



That is ofcourse if you assume it is sprayed to affect the surface. Bit of a leap of faith isn't it? Or do you know more than the rest of us?

Furthermore, these particles do not just stay up indefinately, it's not because they don't fall straight down that they have no effect whatsoever, unless you deny the existence of gravity or the reaction of the human body to these strange particles. And lets just assume these things stayed there indefinately, just think about that for a second. Is that really a good alternative?

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Those who have been studying the issue for decades say there are serious concerns .....

However you seem to be dismissing those concerns and raising new ones of your own based on no evidence whatsoever.

Why can no one provide any evidence whatsoever that contrails are not contrails? And no, just saying they are chemtrails does not prove they are chemtrails however many times you repeat it

Meanwhile, contrails continue to affect our weather and our climate and the disinformationists continue to divert attention by pushing their chemtrail lies ...... It's time we stood up and fought back against these people!

The real dangers of contrails: Aircraft contrails contributing to global warming?

The OP says he's had a "gutfull" and therefore the entire discussion should be laid to rest...ok ozweatherman, just ignore these threads and those who would like to further investigate the ongoing phenomenon can carry on without you.

see this 1st photo and LOOK AT IT...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

you see an "X' in the sky made by jets...then you see a jet in motion near the center of the "X"..... my how it's trail doth disssipate hastily,
and other trails doth leave wide, lingering objects

Same day-within an hour...
how about explaining that someone??

Here is the outer edge of a fresh one being made. Look towards the end.

Seems like they use pivot points to expand outwards from when generating a large chemcloud.


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I will admit that I have not read all in this thread I am just responding to the OP.

I know you are into the weather but the pictures you showed are not chemtrails.

I am surprised that with you dealing in this department that you do not know what a chemtrail is. I think you need to get out more, but that just my opinion.

Please don't deny ignorance, observe for a month.

In this case, it's just 1) good 'ol fashion common sense, 2) knowledge of the origins of the chemtrail theories, and 3) did I mention common sense yet?

Seriously though, you don't have to know that much about meteorology to see these theories don't hold up. But yeah....when you don't know about something, you certainly are more willing to believe anything some video on youtube tells you rather than what people who study or observe these phenoms for a living tell you.



I'm going by what other people have claimed buddy.
Did you read my post about how contrails DO affect our weather? Reading is fun


Umm...what are you talking about?
Like all clouds, contrails dissipate or evaporate over time. lol
This is where just fundamental understanding of the atmosphere (and apparently gravity, lol) helps.


Since these "particles" are mostly water vapor (unless you have information you're not sharing with the rest of us, and if that's the case, please share!) I'm pretty sure water has been studied oh since probably around the beginning of human existence.



Not exactly sure what you're talking about, but no that's not a good alternative. The earth would have had 100% cloud cover for decades now. That would cause all kinds of havoc.

As he states, it is what others have claimed to be chemtrails.


Could you please explain to us what a chemtrail is then or what one looks like?

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Re: video link

Yeah umb...that is what I would refer to as a chemtrail.

Can we at least come to the very simple understanding that those who look at photos or videos like this one say CHEMTRAIL, and the photos of the short, quickly dissapating white lines are CONTRAILS? JUST for the sake of discussion?

It's really that simple-why "cloud" the issue with all the other hokey pokey? I am not a scientist or meterorologist or climatologist. I just see crap in the sky and know it doesn't look right. No satisfactory explanation has been offered by the so-called authorities, so I am waiting for one, and sorry, no anonymous, self-proclaimed expert/blowhard on the internet is going to convince me what I'm seeing doesn't exist or is by default benign or "natural".

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Yet the very person who authored this thread is one of those.

And no, I dont say or agree that anything that lingers is a chemtrail. I see lingering contrails all the time. Especially in the winter when we have seriously cold temps. Fact is. Contrails come in all shapes, sizes and last for various amounts of time.

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