This is not a chemtrail! Atmospheric Phenomenen explained, page 2

reply to post by ZOOMER

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ZOOMER, WHO is 'spraying'? First you people claim it's from commercial jets, then someone else says an 'unmarked' jet (good luck noticing markings by looking at the belly of the airplane!) then there's a picture from Las Vegas. Very nice pic of contrails...condensation trails...

Folks, hundreds of flights from LAX to the East Coast will be routed over LAS. Sometimes we navigate right over the VOR, located on the airport...sometimes we will get a direct downline to another fix, or waypoint. That's one reason you see nearly parallel lines...AND, of course, flights also operate North and South.

One picture up above is obviously that of a contrail left by a jet as it makes a turn, part of the route it's flying, or a turn request by ATC, or a request for a more direct 'short-cut' made to ATC by the crew...

There are a LOT of jets flying nowadays...look up one of the FlightTracker websites to see for yourselves.

Back to a queston I had, no one who advocates 'chemtrails' seems to want to field this simple test of logical reasoning: If this is a top-secret program, why would it be done in broad daylight, and not at night???

Finally, someone asked about Google Earth pictures...um, again, logical thinking hats on...if you wanted to post nice satellite photos, do you want clouds in the way?!?!?

Thanks for everyone's posts.

reply to post by jpm1602

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jpm, what 'I doth protest' is bad science.

COULD the militaries of the planet be 'spraying' chemicals? Sure, they certainly could. I'm just trying my darnedest to point out that regular commercial airliners DO NOT!

Again, if it's the military, and they wnat to 'poison' us, why in broad daylight? AND, why over Las Vegas (Nellis Air Force Base is right there, Area 51 just some miles north and west...)???

OzWeatherman did some great stuff, posting it for y'all, and greedeyedleo is actually ON an AFB in Alaska, and she see contrails too. See, there are quite a few points off the Coast of Alaska that 'anchor' some North Pasific routes to Asia.

One thing someone asked, about the 'tic-tac-toe' look, and stating that they were all at the same altitude...We now have vertical separation standards of 1000feet in US Airspace. Airplanes at the same altitude, in the upper levels, are horizontally separated by 20 miles. A jet at cruise speed covers between 6 and 8 miles every minute, depending on prevailing winds, etc. So, even if two airliners are on the same route, one will pass overhead, and the other 'in trail' jet, 20 miles behind, will come along a few minutes later, based on your vantage point on the surface.

If you look at that 'grid' pattern, you will see that not all contrails are same altitude.

Next time you're a passenger, you might get a glimpse of a contrail out your window, but usually most are too busy enjoying the delicious inflight meal!!!

reply to post by jpm1602

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Im not sure how they can be "protesting too much" any more so then those who want to believe the other side.

reply to post by weedwhacker

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Then why did that test of the "contrail" on the video I posted earlier come back with 3X's the normal amount of barium? Did you get a chance to review those?

reply to post by Shakesbeer

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Oh yes, the guy from Arkansas.

The tests didn't prove anything. There was NO proof that what he collected came from the sky, as everything in the test results can be found in the soil where he lives....and come from other sources too.

This issue has been discussed numerous times here.

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
reply to post by weedwhacker

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Then why did that test of the "contrail" on the video I posted earlier come back with 3X's the normal amount of barium? Did you get a chance to review those?

Again, that test did not prove that anything he collected came from jets. That is from the people who tested it.

He could have gone to a polluted river and collected water for all we know.

The tests did NOT point to chemtrails.


Here is the original thread discussing it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 8-3-2008 by greeneyedleo]

reply to post by ZOOMER

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ZOOMER, I took your advice, went to the post by utmost, and the imageevent link. If you're referring to pic number 9, it is a really horrible example of bad photoshopping, or image manipulation!!!

Some of the earlier pics, I mentioned one over Las Vegas...contrails. Another pic, don't know the number, shows a contrail left by a jet in a turn.

At the speeds we fly, and when we use a maximum of 25 degrees bank, the turn radius is quite large. AND, we use a MAXIMUM of 25 degrees, at cruise altitudes we generally use 15 degrees.

Always verify, when seeing something on the Internet. So much can be total nonsense...or can be 'spun' to suit another purpose.

Thanks for your response.

reply to post by ZOOMER

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Well, ZOOMER, I used to live in PHX...from 1989 to 1997. Had a house on N. 50th St., Tatum and Bell Road, basically.

The pic I noticed as being a little fake was a Boeing, looked like a 757, and the 'trail' behind it is 'shopped' in, since it appears to be dropping like a bunch of rocks behind the airplane.

I have seen a lot of airplanes pass me in nearly 22 years of flying jets...the contrail might drop a few hundred feet behind the airplane...if there's a lot windshear, the 'trail' will break up pretty quickly...if the atmosphere is stable, then it will persist for a long time.

Since you are a pilot, then you can help me explain to our audience about the adiabatic rate, how atmosphere temps decrease with altitude??

reply to post by weedwhacker

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Replied to myself, ZOOMER. 'Measely' PA-28??...I got my first 3500 hours in 'measely' Cessnas and Beechcraft and Pipers...getting my Comm/Instr, and CFI, CFI-I, SEL, MEL, ATP, and of course teaching for some years, before getting the Commuter job that ultimately led to my Major Airline....

Fly safely!!

ps...I didn't have as much time in Pipers, guess the Arrow is the -181 suffix? Or is it the Archer? NO, I think the Arrow is -201??

Anyway, talk to me about the C150, C172, C177, C182, C210, C310, C402, C404...and B-55, B-35, B-95, A-36....etc, etc...oh, and the SWM (SA-226)...Swearingen Metroliner, doubt there are many of those around anymore...miserable airplane in the summer in the desert!



[edit on 8-3-2008 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by greeneyedleo

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so because you guys persist in proving a natural phenomena that we're all very much aware exists already, and are very capable of comprehending the physics just fine, some how proves that it didn't come from the source that was reported? I really did not see any "proof" one way or another in that thread or from the previously submitted websites. You guys like posting the link to NASA yourself, why would they be interested in it at all if it was "harmless contrails"? It's as if you have to cook up a conspiracy to get any kind of answer these days and most of them are bs anyways.

Hypothetical question here: What happens if more of these types of reports with the same type of findings come out?

But I do like how the by product of all the "Oh it's just contrails" mentality is getting everyone even more complacent with pollution though...always helpful.

So who's going to volunteer to fly up and scoop up some con-or-chem-trail?

reply to post by Shakesbeer

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Well, I cant fly....however, if Superman wants to stop by, I will hop on his back and go take some tests

reply to post by Shakesbeer

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Your calling me a looser? Okay then. LOL

Sorry, im a chic and wont put on a blue spandex. However, I can put on a nice catsuit and will gladly jump in a helicopter. LOL

reply to post by Shakesbeer

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Shakesbeer, I'd like to field this one, if I may.

Let's say a jet (even if it's a military jet) has a wingspan of 175 feet. It will leave a 'chem'trail that is, at most, that wide. OK, let's assume this 'trail' then spreads out by a factor, of...well, I'll be generous and say five. SO, now this MUCH THINNER 'trail', if it existed as supposed, is not over 700-800 feet wide. (Note...photos do NOT show this phenomenon, I am using a supposition as example).

So, now we have these thin, but 'wide' (700-800 feet) bands in the upper atmosphere. They do not fall to the surface, hence no one is going to 'taste' them, or 'smell' them...the winds at altitudes above 30,000 feet are usually quite strong. A contrail can be seen to be carried along, if you take the time to sit and watch. If the layer of air where the contrail formed is stable, then it will persist, but will move...

Sometimes upper level wind speeds are low, sometimes they exceed 100 Knots...or more.

My question is two-fold: How can these very narrow bands of thin 'trails' be of any effect, given the vast area of the Earth's surface to consider?!? Second, if it is a conspiracy, WHY do it in broad daylight?!?

Thanks, shakesbeer (cool name, wish I'd thought of it!)

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