reply to post by porschedrifter
Thank you for bringing this up! I find this to be very interesting and some of the patches are pretty intriguing.
Although I already knew some of them, this is a subject I always enjoying reading/learning more about.
By the way, there's additional info (and patches) on the author's website
reply to post by internos
I had also stumbled across that site a while ago and found that official response and 'explanation' to follow the same type and quality of response
we are used of getting from Military/Government agencies: unsatisfactory.
It's interesting to note that the person(s) responsible for the response weren't the ones the FOIA was directed at.
I contacted the 509th at Whiteman AFB in Missouri to submit a (FOIA) Freedom of Information Act Request on Sept. 5, 2003. I received
permission to submit the FOIA from the FOIA/Base Records Manager a few days later and I immediately did so with several questions pertaining to the
insignia. The next correspondence I received was not from Whiteman AFB however, because my FOIA request had been transferred to the Air
Force Flight Test Center at Edwards AFB, California.
The 'answers' are also misleading, but to be totally fair, the questions weren't that great either.
A. This is not an official patch.[...] No official emblem would display a unit number without also indicating its function---bombing,
reconnaissance, fighter, etc.
I don't think anyone disputes that it's not an official patch. However, it could have very well been a classified/black op mission's patch - which
obviously Edwards AFB or any agency would ever admit to, but that's the whole point this patch is brought up in Paglen's research and book.
Not to mention that I have many doubts about the 'authority' of this 'official' response:
The FOIA Custodian at Edwards AFB would make a determination whether any records could be released or withheld from disclosure under the FOIA. A
few days later I received a letter from a USAF Colonel at Edwards AFB, with the title of Staff Judge Advocate, indicating, "A search of all
relevant agencies has found no records responsive to your request."
Again a few days later I was surprised when I received a large envelope from a PhD Historian at the Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards AFB
containing not only answers to my questions about the insignia, but a copy of the United States Air Force "History of the 509th Bomb Wing" Fact
Sheet, and an Air Force Reference Series, "Air Force Combat Wings, Lineage and Honors Histories 1947-1977" pertaining to the 509th. As one who is
interested in the 509th, I considered that information a bonus.
This 'official' response and 'explanation' obviously explains nothing, and I'm sure (or hope) that unlike the author of the FOIA, you take it
with a grain of salt.
Maybe a new FOIA request is in order? This time perhaps if we could get an answer from the people who might have actually worn the thing: the
Not that I'd think they would give us the answers we're looking for, but it's always funny to imagine the look on their faces when they receive
these "nagging FOIA requests
" and read their (hilarious) responses and denials.
ed: fixed link
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