Originally posted by The time lord
The explantion is that, as Genesis 6 explains- The Son's of God had Children with the daughters of men. This created a hybrid race of Angel men Giants. Not only was the gene pool polluted of humans, so were the animals, maybe dinosaurs for all we know were hybrid experiments from the Angels, but what happenned polluted the human gene pool.
Is that not a good excuse? Is that not better than killing people for being in the wrong place and not believing.

So what you are saying is that christians (pro-lifers) don't have a problem with killing those whom they regard as being genetically inferior? This was just one of the first of many (cough) Final Solutions? That is so vile!

Originally posted by LDragonFire
The video is based on the Old Testament. I think its easy for all to see that this older part of the bible is barbaric, and Not so Perfect.

The New Testament is where the religion of love comes into play.

Until you get to the book of revelation and then it all goes to hell in a hand basket.

I am going to reply without reading the rest. You can not take the Old Testament and compare it with Chrianity. The New Testament is Christian. And from what I have read a lot of the old laws were abolished with the verses from Matthew:

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

These were borrowed from this site... there are several translations.

bibleresources.bible.com

You want to quote scripture from the old testament, which was fulfilled by christ, then go to the Hebrews, or Jews and find out why Thier God wants them to kill for anything not normal. I am gay, yet I still believe in the Christ. I know for most Christian churches there is problem with that, but from what my god makes me feel there a lot worse problems to worry about then being gay.

What I am trying to say, is, take the old testament and compare it to the love the sinner but not the sin attituda and you get the reason why Christians do not selebrate the sabbath or kill homo's, or kill prostitutes, or, you get the picture. Christians love all. Or they should and not treat anybody differently. You should change the thread title to "JUstify this Jews" and leave the christians out of it.

But before somebody decides I am anti jew, I am half jewish, so there...

I am going to reply without reading the rest. You can not take the Old Testament and compare it with Chrianity. The New Testament is Christian. And from what I have read a lot of the old laws were abolished with the verses from Matthew:

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

These were borrowed from this site... there are several translations.

bibleresources.bible.com

You want to quote scripture from the old testament, which was fulfilled by christ, then go to the Hebrews, or Jews and find out why Thier God wants them to kill for anything not normal. I am gay, yet I still believe in the Christ. I know for most Christian churches there is problem with that, but from what my god makes me feel there a lot worse problems to worry about then being gay.

What I am trying to say, is, take the old testament and compare it to the love the sinner but not the sin attituda and you get the reason why Christians do not selebrate the sabbath or kill homo's, or kill prostitutes, or, you get the picture. Christians love all. Or they should and not treat anybody differently. You should change the thread title to "JUstify this Jews" and leave the christians out of it.

But before somebody decides I am anti jew, I am half jewish, so there...

To me being a Christian is solely about what is written in the Gospels about Christ's life and teachings. The fact that these happen to be included in the Bible does not mean that Christians have to follow and believe the other things written in the Bible.

The only parts of the Bible i believe are relevant to Christians are the four gospels; in which Jesus himself said for 'he without sin to cast the first stone' so i fail to see how you link Christian's with stoning, especially as it is islamic countries that still employ this practice.

To me most of the bible is meaningless, I am a CHRISTian which means i follow the teachings of Christ, which I think is to basically live a good life, try not to judge people and help those you can along the way.

Also i don't see why modern day Christians should have to justify anything that was written or that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago. You are right in saying that Christians of old did terrible things; people complain about islamic terrorists but the Christian crusades and inquisitions were a lot worse, but we shouldn't have to justify this.

It wasn't us that did this, and it isn't Christians that are doing these things now. These things happened hundreds of years ago when pretty much every event was put down to God's will. We are more educated now and a lot more civilised, it is in countries where the population is still controlled, uneducated and dictated to, with women still being stoned and thieves hands still being cut off, that people should be asked to justify these things.

Also the Bible is not primarily Christian. The entire Old Testament, which is where you're obviously getting these ideas of stoning being ok from, is Jewish and is the only part of the Bible that Judaism uses.

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I can't answer if God has a PC or not...but He wanted one He would. ) He's God ..right?

However, I do think he can read prayer weather they're typed or written.. why? BECAUSE HE'S GOD!!! LOL.. sheesh! oh you of little faith.. kinda like moving a mountain if you have enough faith. wow! what a concept!

and since you're quoting me.. it's NOT Kamodo.. it's

KOMODO.. as in the Dragon.....*sigh*.. you know .. right .. from the Komodo Islands...

sorry .. I'll stop now

Originally posted by BlackOps719
I would love to hear a few opinions from some of the resident bible thumpers, justify this if you can.

Well, so much for not wishing to flame anyone. You ask for Christian members to contribute to your discussion by referring to them as "resident bible thumpers'.

What a wonderful start to the discussion.

Originally posted by crestone

Originally posted by runetang
BlackOps,

The only stoning and rampant murdering going on was done by Jews in the Old Testament, or Gentiles/Jews/Romans stoning Christian missionaries in the New Testament.

But no where does it advocate stoning, or any other violence on an other man. At least the Christian teachings dont ..

You are pulling my leg, right? I probably misunderstand your last two sentences, or you have never read the OT.

No, its true. The ONLY portions of the Bible where it advocates stoning people, killing people, or anything else like this, are Jewish portions. I don't say this because I dislike Jews, no, I say this because its truth. The Tanakh, or Old Testament, is the single location that you will find words advocating stoning people or punishment via death, OR military incursions resulting in slaughter. ALLOFTHIS .. is Old Testament.. and ALLOFTHIS .. is Jewish religious history.

I repeat, the Christian Teachings, or New Testament, DO NO ADVOCATE STONING, KILLING, OR HURTING ANOTHER MAN FOR ANY REASON, EVEN AN EVIL MAN, EVEN A MAN ATTACKING YOU.

Christianity teaches us to turn the cheek. If you slap me, slap me twice.

But I am not going to resort to your trivial level of violence; violence is an expression .. it's when you can no longer express yourself through communication, you get violent. Christianity is all about communication. Not once have I found a passage in the New Testament where Christians are advocating stoning people. However, I've read about poor TIMOTHY GETTING STONED .. and not off the Qaneh Bos'm, he was martyred.

Try me. Stop all the talk and back it up with some evidence.
A CHALLENGE TO ANY MEMBER OF ATS:

Copy and paste at least three sentences from the Bible, New Testament onward, that specifically describes Christians advocating the stoning or killing of a non-Christian man. One of these three quotes has to be a sentence showing Christians actually carrying out such a violent act, it has to be Christians killing a man, executing a man, or invading a land and killing all the men women and children. The invading force has to be Christian.

I sit back confidently knowing that it is impossible to find these three quotes, they do not exist. So this whole thread? is pointless. and its disinformation at that. It proves that people do not understand the truth about religion, that they believe weird stuff that isnt even true! JEWS stoned people .. JEWS executed people for crimes .. sheesh .. Christians did none of this in the Bible.

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I think a clear distinction needs to be made here between "a peaceful religion", which Christianity, along with the majority of religious movements through the ages, certainly is not, and "peaceful followers of Christianity" which is what I would claim to be (were I not such a poor version of a Christian in any case).

The fact is that suggesting that Christianity itself has ever claimed to be "peaceful" is slightly misleading. Violence, unfortunately, litters Christian history, from the crucifixion through persecution of Jesus' disciples, the crusades, and more modern examples of Christian martyrdom and atrocities carried out in its name.

I'm firmly of the belief that blaming a religion - any religion - of inspiring violence or hate is a nonsense - a bit like blaming a gun for shooting someone. People come to religious beliefs for any number of reasons. Some use it as a crutch to support them through suffering. Others aren't suffering but still find it a useful doctrine by which to live their lives.

Others use it as an excuse for their own purposes. Put simply - I believe in X [where X is the deity of your choosing]. My neighbour doesn't. I am therefore justified in taking my neighbours country, in order to spread the word of X.

The point is that X isn't to blame, I am - I'm the one with the anger, the greed, the jealousy and the bloodlust. X is my excuse. NOT my reason - whatever is said about X in my bible or bible equivalent.

The Bible, if you are a non-believer and want to find its use, can at the very least be taken as a valuable resource in the study of a particular group's attitude towards their own history and future. In other words, how they viewed their ancestors, how they looked back on enslavement in Egypt, etc etc.

To believers it is a spiritual document which contains guidance on how life should be lived. To suggest that any document, simply because it discusses God smiting infidels in some barbaric fashion, is the reason followers are OK to exact the same punishment on their own enemies, is naive and misses the point. People behave like b*stards because they ARE b*stards, not because God told them to do so. Ultimately, if you took the blaming of religion for violence to its logical conclusion, and removed religion altogether, you would find that the b*stards still remained. They would simply find a new excuse.

Because of all this, and because the valuable teachings and moral code of Jesus in the bible does not make the bible or Christianity the inventor of being nice, I don't believe either that violence in the bible should undermine the qualities of those good teachings. The bible speaks of desperate times - and its action happens in a region beset by war for centuries (it still is). (Very) Broadly speaking, the Bible discusses the good that can come out of suffering pain and misery. This is A Good Thing. In my view.

LW