TXMACHINEGUNDLR,

Don't start with Genesis. But if you wanted to start in the Old Testament, start in Proverbs or Job. There are 31 Proverbs, 1 for every day of the month. Job is to belived to be the first book ever written. If you start in the New Testament, and ever wondered WHY is called New Testament?. read

Acts chapter 8 verse 1-4

Then,

Acts chapter 9:1-43

Then,

Acts chapters 26-28.

Backstory: Paul has went to Rome, to preach the Good News and is arrested and accused by his OWN people (JEWS) of heresy. Interesting isn't? wow, sounds like someone else I know who was arrested for the same thing..years before.. and oddly enough.. by the same people.

However,

Rom 10:8 What the scripture says is this: "God's message is near you, on your lips and in your heart"---that is, the message of faith that we preach.
Rom 10:9 If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For it is by our faith that we are put right with God; it is by our confession that we are saved.
Rom 10:11 The scripture says, "Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed."
Rom 10:12 This includes everyone, because there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles; God is the same Lord of all and richly blesses all who call to him.
Rom 10:13 As the scripture says, "Everyone who calls out to the Lord for help will be saved."
Rom 10:14 But how can they call to him for help if they have not believed? And how can they believe if they have not heard the message? And how can they hear if the message is not proclaimed?
Rom 10:15 And how can the message be proclaimed if the messengers are not sent out? As the scripture says, "How wonderful is the coming of messengers who bring good news!"
Rom 10:16 But not all have accepted the Good News. Isaiah himself said, "Lord, who believed our message?"
Rom 10:17 So then, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message comes through preaching Christ.

Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
I dont know, I wonder the same thing from time to time. I cant get through Gen without yelling BS! about 20 times...I believe in God, but I dont believe in many of the books in the bible. Most of the stuff I believe is out of faith. I have no proof, but I do for whatever weird reason have faith.................that seems to be enough.....My own feelings do get in the way whenever I remind myself that it is mostly jewish crapola, remade for a new religion.....but then I take a happy pill and all is right again.

BUT...........if God came to me and told me to do something you better believe I would do it. My only line in the sand would be, I could not hurt innocent people. Other than that, I pretty much owe God everything so that would be that.

[edit on 6-3-2008 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

— Herbert Spencer


It is truly sad how people are willing to gamble eternity on a you tube video.

They will study evolution for years at college.

Yet never read the bible enough to understand it.

Compared to eternity this life on earth will be forgotten.

Just wonder if say even a .00001% chance it's all true, wouldn't it be wise to spend some time truly studying it with an open mind in light of eternity?

PS: The thread title is this; Christians...how do you justify all of this?

Here's the answer...ARE YOU READY??? Drum roll please!!!

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

The End. And goodnight.

There is truth in all religions but due to Man's ego much of the truth is tweak to feed the ego. That is why I feel it is important not to justify why 'MY' religion is the only truth, but to think critically for yourself and filter what is the not-truth.

It is not really hard to filter the not-truth. Those ideas that separate mankind,create different group of egos(race/nation/classes) are ones which you might want to take caution against. With due respect to Bible, many stuff there are not as black and white as your self-groups told you. Remember there is always gray area, anything that point you to the extreme are not-truth.

Paradox2, I am sorry that you deleted your previous post before I had an opportunity to read it.

Just to point this out, but your views and opinions are as valid and welcome as the next persons. Please do not sell short your own beliefs for the benefit of anyone else on this thread.

By all means, post what you feel is truth. That is all anyone can ask

I would invite you to repost your previous words, as Im sure we would all like to see for ourselves. Thanks.

Could you or any other Christians posting here, maybe take each of the points made in the video and explain what is really meant by them and how they are worked / viewed in modern society please, just to provide clarification and prevent the misunderstanding that the video was obviously designed to create.

I will try. It is late here and I just stumbled onto this thread, so I will add more later.

The first point is with regards to OT law about the sabbath. Jesus says in Mark 2:23-28

23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"

25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."

27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

This was one of the many examples of how Jesus' coming modified the Law. He stood up against the legalistic state of Judaism, and showed that under the new Covenant, as someone mentioned earlier, the laws were updated for a new follower. The ten commandments are important but we remember what Christ said about the new law in Matthew 7

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

and Luke 6 (th golden rule)

31Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

The father showed mercy to the world by giving us his son so that we may be pure in the eyes of God. Because of this, God says not to judge and to love and SHOW love to all.
Jesus took the long list of laws of the Jews and summed it up simply and eloquently. The laws from the OT to the NT changed as the whole basis for salvation changed. Christianity, from this change, came into existence.

Now, as a disclaimer I must say, many people who are Christians judge and say things like "F*gs are going to hell". This is in violation of those individuals foundational beliefs. Many people judge all Christians with these people, but the truth is they are not following the law they say they are trying to uphold.

i will be back for more, but I'z tired

edit: GRAMMERS IS SUCK and CTHULHU is sweet.

[edit on 7-3-2008 by DINSTAAR]

Well, the people that made the video take verses out of context.
You read verses here and there, never did you read the whole Bible and ask God for wisdom.

1.
First, most Americans are not true Christians. They say they believe in the 10 commandments, yet they dont observe the Sabbath. Jesus prophesied about this, its nothing to be startled about.

2. all of your verses in the First Testament are out of context:
I wont list each verse, but it is all of them.
God was among the Israelites during that time, guiding them and speaking to them. He personally gave the Israelites the land they inhabited.
"..within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee.."
"..in any of the cities which the LORD, your God, gives you to dwell in.."
All those verses pertain to the Israelites in the land God gave them to dwell in.
God has not given us anything yet. Has God ever appeared to you and told you he is giving you the land you are standing on? We are living in a heathen land.
When Jesus sets up his kingdom, you better believe all those rules will apply.

About the slave ownership, thats out of context again. Read the whole verse. Israelites can buy slaves from the heathen/pagan devil worshipping lands, it might do those people some good anyway.

isaiah 13 is talking about babylonians, devil worshippers, not just any people. Again taken out of context.

hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: thats a prophecy, yes anyone rebelling against God will perish.

Jesus advices followers to cut off limbs: taken out of context again.
If you read the whole book, you will see Jesus teaches in parables, he talks about this. Read it for yourself, pray and you will receive understanding. Obviously you are not doing that, your are judging Jesus as being repulsive when you dont even read the whole Book and give an effort to understand. You better be careful!!

Women are to have no authority in the Church. This is more precautionary. A Womens sexuality is very powerful. She can seduce man very easy. I am female by the way. I stopped going to church, but when I went, there were women with makeup, tight dresses, high heel shoes, perfume, like their going out on the town. That does not belong in a real Christian church.


Well thats it, you obviously know nothing about the Bible, and just pick verses here and there to suit your own agenda. Be careful!!!!

~~Interesting. And you attribute this to God in what way?

Because he made himself real to me in a personal way, as God has always done with each of us, in his own way. Because he knows each of us uniqueally. He knows you better than you know yourself, or he can't call himself God of the Universe.....right? I mean think about it....God has many titles, some which are pretty hefty.. like Omniscience, Omnipresent...

~~I would be happy that the other person finally showed up, and awfully pissed for having spent 20 years of my life in prison.

My life was prisoner of someone for 18 years I thought would make my life better for me, however, it was the WORST nightmare lived out in real life. Nothing short of a horror film; from about the age of 4. But, God set me free, right at the time I needed it.

but...we all have things in our lives don't like to deal with underneath. Things we've done to others, things done to us by others, choices we've made... for the worst,and carrying those 'monkeys' on our backs. Unwilling to share for fear of ridicule.

Right?

Because to answer that as a No... would only be deceiving/lying to yourself; as you put on another mask, turn the knob and walk out the door to our comfort zone. we all have perfect lives......................

But the intresting thing about God is..........he's ALWAYS on time and NEVER will go against your will.

If we can't believe him enough to ask HIM to get us out of the situation we get ourselves into... he's patient. But, Just like the Heavenly Father he is, will not always wait for us to ask either. He'll make the offer you just can't refuse. ) but, I've seen a few that did. *cry*

Originally posted by BlackOps719

If you'd like my full testimony, I'll gladly type it out for you, just beware, it will be long to help you better understand, I didn't have a choice. Spend 20 years in a prison ..and then have someone come to you and take your place in prison and set you free...how would you feel?

Interesting. And you attribute this to God in what way?


And to answer your question, how would I feel if I spent 20 years in prison, only to have someone come and take my place?

I would be happy that the other person finally showed up, and awfully pissed for having spent 20 years of my life in prison.

Please feel free to elaborate on your story, it sounds like a real doozie.