Humans evolved from Machines - Theory, page 1
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reply posted on 5-3-2008 @ 09:55 PM by Badge01
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
When i broke it down into analogies of cars and other machines, she understood it so much better.

Excellent thread. It won't get much action, but i will still flag/star it just because I think it is excellent.


Thanks. There's a lot of utility with "the body as machine" description.

In martial arts I use it, thus:

To attack the body choose a system and attack those vulnerabilities.
Locomotion System
Respiration System
Hydraulics and Vessels System
Sensory System
...etc.

To attack the hydraulics, cut the femoral artery, or perform a blood choke on the neck.

To attack the respiration perform an airway choke, cover the mouth, or compress the chest with a triangle lock from backmount, various smothers

To attack the locomotion system, knee bar, ankle lock, sweep, leg kick.

To attack the sensory system - finger flick, finger jab, forward headlock, guillotine, smothers, right cross to point of jaw.

As you can see, using this system gives a functional grouping that one might not otherwise be able to freely access. It's a lot better than just 'punching and kicking' without an object in mind.

If the body can not sense, locomote, pump blood, keep blood pressure or get oxygen, it fails. Don't stop the attack until one or more systems are disabled.

The best attack may be to the respiration system, since it is reversible and causes temporary unconsciousness. Though one might resist pugilistic attacks, no one can resist a blood or an airway choke for long (except, maybe certain large judo experts). (a blood choke still uses respiration, and oxygen transport as the operative method)

Anyway, yeah the body is a system of nano-gears and ratchets, rods and microtubules. Even the way cells divide uses a system of microtubules and sliding filaments, and the way an iris expands and contracts is mechanical, as well.

If you look at root mechanisms, you often find very mechanical processes going on, from enzymatic reactions, to the way protein components assemble.



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reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 04:23 PM by jojoKnowsBest
reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan



As a mater affect I was watching Doctor Who, The Genesis of the Daleks the other day. The Daleks are biological machines, a blob inside a fully mobile, armored, and weaponized droid. The Time Lords sent the Doctor and his entourage back in time to the planet where the Daleks originated. The Daleks were originally similar to humans and they created machines allowing them to continue to survive and be a dominant species when they evolve in to helpless creatures that can’t survive on there own.

Maybe if we didn’t evolve from robots, maybe we will evolve into them if our race survives long enough. Or if we did evolve from robots, as the OP suggests, I think eventually we may go full circle and evolve back into them. If evolution is real, and the human race reaches a genetic dead end we may have to rely on robotics for our race to survive.

Tom Baker is my favorite Doctor, I don’t know the order he fits into, is he the fourth Doctor.




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reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 10:25 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by SteveR



This is true. and it is why i propose that life exists in any concievable (and logical via causality) form you could imagine (and most, you likely can't).

Beings that live in our outer atmosphere, feeding on plasma (or, as Zorgon refers to them, "Critters".) It could be anything....crittes are as likely as any i suppose.

All things that we call life on Earth are machines. Every single one. If i needed to turn CO2 into O2 (with carbon separated and freed), i cannot think of a better globalized mechanism than trees. They replicate and spread on their own (which seems to be a hallmark of biology, yes?).

It is why i wonder how evolution can be a serious consideration (although i support the concept, relative to genetic drift), as nature is more about happenstance, not engineering and design.

But i suppose this brings us back to your statement. There really ARE only so many ways that matter can arrange itself, and things that are more durable seem to stick around longer (and thus propagate).

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reply posted on 7-3-2008 @ 05:33 AM by hidatsa
Originally posted by The Parallelogram
God may not be the progenitor of Mankind, but rather our reason for existing-- to one day create, or as a species to become, the Divine.
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It's in the ether, of course, but the relationships between God, Man and Machine have been taxing my imagination for a month or so now.

Through history, as man has discovered more about his own internal workings, he has often found analogies in his own creations. For a century, throughout the wonders of the Industial era (which coincided roughly with modern anatomical study), the heart was like "a pump" and later "an engine", though these descriptions fall far short of the truth as I'm sure any heart specialist could explain. In the last half-century, the brain was "like a computer", because by determining how a computer must function, it was revealed that our own thought processes were similarly comprised, though on a much swifter and more exotic level.

Now we have the potential for creating an artificial immune system which may one day form an essential subroutine in any android robot we may feel tempted to create.

The human form, from its inner recesses to its outermost extremities, seems to us to be the ideal physical form. It has evolved - like the Ferarri evolved from the Penny Farthing bicycle, like the robotic machines in a nuclear power plant will (possibly) evolve into Data-like positronic-brained entities - from a basic amoeba.

And, yes, we are machines. Dogs are machines, too. And swans and the mighty redwood tree.

My question is, were we constructed? Might God be a super-mechanic? Are we the carbon-based construct of a silicon-based creator, left here, possibly abandoned, to fend for ourselves? Have we evolved through reconstruction and adaptation in the only way possible; the way that has been imprinted on our CPUs which have guided our nano-immune systems?

And are our own current silicon-based constructs the anscestors of the inheritors of our legacy? Will our robot bases on far-flung planets where man may never tread, themselves evolve into conscious beings and rule their worlds while man achieves his ultimate goal - a merger with the Cosmic All; a oneness that absolves our race of further participation, other than guidance and observation, in the physical world.

And will our robots come to know us as their God and dream of their own ascention into deity, just as we will by then have done; just as our builders and engineers have already done many millennia ago?
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