Please, don't get your world travelling boxers in a bunch, jr! You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it.
I was commenting on your sweeping generalization of "socially inept" home-schooled kids. Perhaps that is the experience YOU had with the
homeschooled kids YOU connected with. Why would you be so defensive of someone generalizing you, since you are so willing to do so to others?
I don't have a lot of time for basketweaving, as I am currently maintaining a 4.0 GPA in a nursing program. I do, however, enjoy beading, painting,
classical piano, guitar, African drumming, spinning, weaving, permaculture and heavy weapons combat in the time I like to call 'spare'. I will admit
to an interest in basket-weaving...I especially like those baskets the native Americans made with pine needles. Oh! And those Amish baskets are
divine!
And, btw, my daughter attended public school, then public college and is starting grad school at USF in the fall. Perhaps she could've had a better
education, but she's doing fine and dandy, as it is. She's a little shy, but I don't blame the public school she went to for that....it's just the
way she is. Perhaps the socially inept home-schoolers you've met had the same kind of thing going on? I guess I'll never know since you didn't
answer any questions...just ranted. Wow, you must be forum-ally inept, huh?
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Everyone should have the right to home-school their children if they wish. Last time I checked, everyone still has the right to raise their children
in their religion faith (or none) of choice. Everyone, I believe, still has the right to feed their children what they feel is appropriate. If
everyone is allowed to feed the soul, feed the stomach, why not be able to feed the brain?
The posters that are making rash generalizations regarding the intelligence or social aptitude of home-schoolers, are way off-base.
Just as children who are schooled in public or private schools join social groups, children that are home-schooled have the same option.
www.homeschoolinkwell.com...
 The term “isolation” is associated with homeschooling. Homeschooling parents can do away with this tag and stimulate the social lives of their
little ones by make their children part of social organizations. Your kid can join the girl’s scout or the boy’s scout or rather join in any
recreation program or local parks. In case your family is somewhat estranged from the social life, you can let your child have access to the Internet
and allow them to chat with children of their same age. There are also monitored chat rooms, which
enables your child to carry on discussions on age appropriate subjects).
We did this when we home-schooled our last child, and everything was fine.
By the way,let me tell you the reason we home-schooled our last child.
Several of our children are adopted from South America. Our last adopted child has a very dark complexion. As a result, other students resorted to
calling our child the N-word constantly. We went down to the school and spoke to the principal about it. His response:
"One thing I've noticed about Hispanic people, is that they don't look people in the eye, when they talk to them, unlike normal white
children."
As my wife and I sat there with our mouths wide open in disbelief, he continued to spout vicious comments about Hispanic people. Needless to say, that
was it for us. We pulled our child out of the school, and home schooled our child. Our child finished the high school program a year ahead of the
students that were in the same grade, then our child went on to college, ending up on the Dean's List and receiving a scholarship at a Big 10 school
at the end of the freshman year. Our child played soccer during high school, and was involved with several other organizations.
There are many reasons that people home-school their children. Whether other people want or don't want to home-school their child should be their
decision. Taking that right away from the parents and the child is an abomination.
By the way, children that go to a traditional school also have social problems.
In fact, given the exposure to drugs, and other problems, there is, in my opinion, more opportunity for problems at a traditional school.
Let's not let the government take one more step towards Fascism, because, folks, that is exactly what is happening today. One day , we'll all wake
up and discover that we don't have any rights anymore.
Is this what you want?
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This is truly disturbing news. How can a Judge be so ignorant of the application of laws and the limitations imposed? After reading the news I went to
the California code for Education and one particular section stuck out.
EDUCATION CODE
SECTION 33300-33319.5
…..33318.5. (a) In addition to the dropout rate the department
compiles pursuant to the federal No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (20
U.S.C. Sec. 6301 et seq.), the department shall compile an attrition
rate for high school pupils in the state pursuant to the formula
specified in subdivision (b).
Here’s the actual code section (rather long)
<<<< CHAPTER 70 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 6301 <br />
Prev | Next <br />
§ 6301. Statement of purpose <br />
<br />
The purpose of this subchapter is to ensure that all children have a fair, equal, and significant opportunity to obtain a high-quality education and
reach, at a minimum, proficiency on challenging State academic achievement standards and state [1] academic assessments. This purpose can be
accomplished by—……………………. <br />
Here’s the actual legislation passed by CONgess <br />
<a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">thomas.loc.gov...</a>:1:./temp/~c107Hp7i0i:: <br />
H.R.1 <br />
No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (Introduced in House) <br />
<br />
<br />
So here’s the problem that the states face. In order to receive federal funds, they have to implement and use all provisions of the ‘Act’ No
Child Left Behind. The lists of goals and assessments are endless. But, are there some children exempt from the assessments and goal laid out in the
“Act”? Lets take a look. <br />
SEC. 1805. APPLICABILITY. <br />
`Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect home schools nor shall any home schooled student be required to participate in any assessment
referenced in this title. <br />
SEC. 1806. PRIVATE SCHOOLS. <br />
`Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect any private school that does not receive funds or services under this title. <br />
<br />
So how can a home schooled child or private schooled child for that matter be forced into public schools subject to the assessments, when the
very words of the “Act” exempts them. This judge should be charged with a crime under the RICCO statues for attempting to subject a citizen of one
the fifty states to a foreign law. Remember ALL “Acts” of CONgress are only applicable in D.C and insular possessions. <br />
Rule 54(c), Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, to determine application of an "Act of Congress", and the term "State": <br />
<br />
"Act of Congress" includes any act of Congress locally applicable to and in force in the District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or in
an insular possession. <br />
<br />
"State" includes District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, territory and insular possession. <br />
<br />
The geographical limitation on federal departments, agencies, et al, is positive, not passive. Congress built a legal fence around them via
legislation now classified at 4 U.S.C. §§ 71 & 72: <br />
<br />
Sec. 71. Permanent seat of Government <br />
<br />
All that part of the territory of the United States included within the present limits of the District of Columbia shall be the permanent seat of
government of the United States. (July 30, 1947, ch. 389, 61 Stat. 643) <br />
<br />
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continued... <br />
continued... <br />
<<<<<TITLE 20 > CHAPTER 70 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 6301 <br />
Prev | Next <br />
§ 6301. Statement of purpose <br />
<br />
The purpose of this subchapter is to ensure that all children have a fair, equal, and significant opportunity to obtain a high-quality education and
reach, at a minimum, proficiency on challenging State academic achievement standards and state [1] academic assessments. This purpose can be
accomplished by—……………………. <br />
Here’s the actual legislation passed by CONgess <br />
<a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">thomas.loc.gov...</a>:1:./temp/~c107Hp7i0i:: <br />
H.R.1 <br />
No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (Introduced in House) <br />
<br />
<br />
So here’s the problem that the states face. In order to receive federal funds, they have to implement and use all provisions of the ‘Act’ No
Child Left Behind. The lists of goals and assessments are endless. But, are there some children exempt from the assessments and goal laid out in the
“Act”? Lets take a look. <br />
SEC. 1805. APPLICABILITY. <br />
`Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect home schools nor shall any home schooled student be required to participate in any assessment
referenced in this title. <br />
SEC. 1806. PRIVATE SCHOOLS. <br />
`Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect any private school that does not receive funds or services under this title. <br />
<br />
So how can a home schooled child or private schooled child for that matter be forced into public schools subject to the assessments, when the
very words of the “Act” exempts them. This judge should be charged with a crime under the RICCO statues for attempting to subject a citizen of one
the fifty states to a foreign law. Remember ALL “Acts” of CONgress are only applicable in D.C and insular possessions. <br />
Rule 54(c), Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, to determine application of an "Act of Congress", and the term "State": <br />
<br />
"Act of Congress" includes any act of Congress locally applicable to and in force in the District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or in
an insular possession. <br />
<br />
"State" includes District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, territory and insular possession. <br />
<br />
The geographical limitation on federal departments, agencies, et al, is positive, not passive. Congress built a legal fence around them via
legislation now classified at 4 U.S.C. §§ 71 & 72: <br />
<br />
Sec. 71. Permanent seat of Government <br />
<br />
All that part of the territory of the United States included within the present limits of the District of Columbia shall be the permanent seat of
government of the United States. (July 30, 1947, ch. 389, 61 Stat. 643) </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 06:48 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>TheAgentNineteen</b></span></span>
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I am so sick of this "State" we call California. They have produced the most communist politicians America has ever seen, especially thr Bay Area.
Because they have their daughter as the Head of the U.S. House, we have now: <br />
<br />
1. Outlawed incandescent light bulbs for the entire United States, because they sap more energy than the alternatives, and are thus "bad for the
environment". Even though flourescents contain a poision called Mercury, and their frequency can cause some to experience seizures, not to mention
their cold coloring which causes depression and increased suicide rates, and also exacerbates skin conditions and/or allergies. They also present
security risks in the time it takes for a flourescent bulb to reach full brightness levels, as some delays can be anywhere from 30 seconds to 1 minute
or more. <br />
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2. Outlawed albuterol asthma inhalers for the entire United States. They said that the CO2 that each activation of the inhaler released was a
pollutant to the atmosphere. This is all despite the fact that asthma sufferers report it was the only inhaler to truly aide them during attacks, and
the new alternatives are nowhere near as effective. Some have even reported that the alternates have not helped them during asthma attacks at all, and
they were thus forced to make an Emergency Room visit. <br />
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3. California is now going to regulate what you set your thermostat on at home. They will remotely monitor it, and set it to the levels they wish to
have it set at. You may override the levels if you wish, but during times of power strain, they will override your settings regardless and force it to
their levels. They claim to know what levels these thermostats should be set at, and are thus the "professionals". Very interesting is it not? I
wonder if ethnicity will play into their forced settings, as I can hardly imagine an African feeling comfortable with the same interior temperatures
as an Alaskan. <br />
<br />
California = Communism. <br />
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Liberalism is the greatest Irony in America. They all protest for "freedom" and claim to want everyone left alone, yet, their ideology is the same
as Communism, or total governmental control over every aspect of life. </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 07:02 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>ProfEmeritus</b></span></span>
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<i>reply to <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread339467/pg4#pid4086703" target="_blank" class="postlink">post by karlkar</a></i> <br />
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Great research. Too bad the activist judge can't read. This unfortunately is another of the move towards fascism, activist judges. They don't
interpret the law, they REWRITE IT. <br />
What good is a constitution or laws, if the judges can just rewrite them to fit her or her viewpoints? <br />
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Thanks again for the post. </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 07:06 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>ProfEmeritus</b></span></span>
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<i>reply to <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread339467/pg4#pid4086757" target="_blank" class="postlink">post by TheAgentNineteen</a></i> <br />
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I certainly understand your view, and agree with it wholeheartedly. What you said about communism, fits in with the second external except that I
posted when I created this thread. You can't home-school your children, but they can indoctrinate them in communism. This is why they don't want to
allow home-schooling. They want to be able to indoctrinate ALL children to prepare them for the new world order. <br />
Wake up, America, your freedom is quickly slipping away. </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 07:44 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>systemfighter28</b></span></span>
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So, I thought I could destroy a few misconceptions here. I am 18, and in my senior year homeschooling. Now, first I should say I am an atheist. So
there goes your religious generality. I have done both homeschooling and public school. I have recieved a far better education homeschooling then I
did in public school. I went to public school up until my 6th grade year, that is when I began homeschooling. I homeschooled from 6th through eighth
grade. I decided to return to public school my 9th grade year, and i attended until the 11th grade. I had only one problem going back to public
school, and that was being smarter than my teachers. Now you can interpret that 2 ways: either my particular public school was completed with a poor
faculty or homeschooling gives a superior eduction. But, even if it were to give a poor education, it is the right of every parent to choose what
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 07:57 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>IAttackPeople</b></span></span>
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Too bad the activist judge can't read. This unfortunately is another of the move towards fascism, activist judges. They don't interpret the law,
they REWRITE IT. <br />
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The Judge is right. The California Educational Code clearly states that for a pupil to be home-schooled, the tutor must be credentialed. <br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=48001-49000&file=48220-48232" target="_blank" class="postlink">Relevent CEC Sections</a> <br />
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<div class='exbox'><img src='http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/images/external.png' width='500' height='40'><br>48224. Children not attending a private, full-time, day school and <br />
who are being instructed in study and recitation for at least three <br />
hours a day for 175 days each calendar year by a private tutor or <br />
other person in the several branches of study required to be taught <br />
in the public schools of this state and in the English language shall <br />
be exempted. The tutor or other person shall hold a valid state <br />
credential for the grade taught. The instruction shall be offered <br />
between the hours of 8 o'clock a.m. and 4 o'clock p.m.</div> <br />
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That's the law. Unfortunately, in this case, mother is not credentialed. End of story. <br />
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Don't like the law? Change it. </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 08:40 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>AndrewTB</b></span></span>
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California is full of some of the most absurd laws. I dont even see how its considered part of the US anymore. </div>
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<i>reply to <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread339467/pg4#pid4086978" target="_blank" class="postlink">post by IAttackPeople</a></i> <br />
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NOT TRUE. Read the below: <br />
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<a href="http://www.californiahomeschool.net/howTo/misinfo.htm" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">www.californiahomeschool.net...</a> <br />
<div class='exbox'><img src='http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/images/external.png' width='500' height='40'><br>Common Misinformation Promulgated by Public School Officials <br />
"Homeschool parents must have state teacher certification." <br />
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False <br />
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When parents establish a private school in their home, teaching certification is not required. Likewise, if parents are homeschooling through a
private ISP, certification is not required. Note in §48222, above, the precise wording is: "Children who are being instructed in a private full-time
day school by persons capable of teaching shall be exempted." Teacher certification is not mandated and, of course, most private schools do not
require teacher certification for their faculty members. <br />
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A few California parents homeschool under §48224 (below) regarding tutors. To be a tutor, the parent or individual must have state certification. The
school official who insists that all homeschooling parents must be certified is confusing the requirements of tutoring with the less stringent
requirements imposed on private schools. <br />
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Education Code §48224. <br />
Children not attending a private, full-time, day school and who are being instructed in study and recitation for at least three hours a day for 175
days each calendar year by a private tutor or other person in the several branches of study required to be taught in the public schools of this state
and in the English language shall be exempted. The tutor or other person shall hold a valid state credential for the grade taught. The instruction
shall be offered between the hours of 8 o'clock a.m. and 4 o'clock p.m.</div> </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 09:18 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>otherhalf</b></span></span>
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From the HSLDA: <br />
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In what could be one of the most important homeschooling related <br />
broadcasts in 25 years, James Dobson interviews HSLDA Chairman Michael <br />
Farris on the developing situation in California. <br />
<br />
We encourage all homeschoolers to listen to this broadcast, and ask <br />
you to forward this information to anyone who is concerned about <br />
homeschool freedom, parental rights and the direction of our courts. <br />
<br />
Broadcast: Focus on the Family daily radio broadcast with Dr. James <br />
Dobson. <br />
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Program Title: California's Threat to Homeschooling Families. <br />
<br />
Airdate: Friday, March 7, 2008. <br />
<br />
Since the broadcast is aired on stations across the country at <br />
different times, please visit ---- <br />
<a href="http://listen.family.org/findastation/" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">listen.family.org...</a> and search for "Daily Focus on <br />
the Family Broadcast" to find the station that covers your area. <br />
<br />
You can help stop this threat to homeschooling by signing an online <br />
petition to depublish the Court of Appeal opinion at <br />
<a href="http://hslda.org/elink.asp?ID=4831" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">hslda.org...</a> <br />
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Sincerely, <br />
<br />
Ian Slatter <br />
Director of Media Relations </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 09:28 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>Lokey13</b></span></span>
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<i>reply to <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread339467/pg4#pid4086503" target="_blank" class="postlink">post by themillersdaughter</a></i> <br />
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You had a lot of nice "puns" and answered none of my questions either, so guess were even. But this question goes to all members reading this forum,
What is Humanity? Togetherness? Peace? So therefor if those could be two possible answers that I bet pop into just about 95% of peoples heads, whats
the seclusion of home schooling getting us on that front? An I will agree that there are many other things that lead to a seclusive types of
personalities before anyone starts saying well what about this and what about this I'll put that out there. Answers anyone? </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 09:30 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>Lokey13</b></span></span>
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O yes and I also forgot about this, I did go to a different college before I transfered to my main one to graduate; my credits were not excepted by my
new school. So my point being why doesn't the government just say that home schooled childrens credits won't hold any value at any type of major
university; wouldn't be telling you not to home school. </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 10:13 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>ProfEmeritus</b></span></span>
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<i>reply to <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread339467/pg3#pid4085836" target="_blank" class="postlink">post by Lokey13</a></i> <br />
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Here you go. This link discusses in detail the accomplishments of homeschoolers. <br />
<a href="http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200312/200312040.asp" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">www.hslda.org...</a> <br />
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<div class='exbox'><img src='http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/images/external.png' width='500' height='40'><br>Homeschoolers continue to exhibit academic excellence on national averages for college admissions tests when compared to public school
students. <br />
The ACT college admission exam scores show homeschoolers consistently performing above the national average. In both 2002 and 2003, the national
homeschool average was 22.5, while the national average was 20.8. <br />
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The College Board, which administers the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) also notes the above-average performance of homeschoolers. In 2002,
homeschoolers averaged 1092, 72 points higher than the national average of 1020. In 2001, homeschoolers scored 1100 on the SAT, compared to the
national average of 1019. (2003 homeschool statistics not yet available.)</div> <br />
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my credits were not <u>excepted</u> by my new school <br />
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Perhaps it had something to do with your English grades. </div>
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<br><br><span style="color: #d0d060;">reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 10:39 PM by <span class='mediumtxt' style='color: #ffffff;'><b>IAttackPeople</b></span></span>
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<div class='quotebox'><img src='http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/images/q.png' width='20' height='15'><br><i>Originally posted by ProfEmeritus</i> <br />
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NOT TRUE. Read the below: <br clear='all'><img src='http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/images/qq.png' width='20' height='15'></div> <br />
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According to who? An advocacy group trying to find loopholes? You just can't say your home is a private-school just because you wish it to be so.
This notion is addressed in the ruling... <br />
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<div class='exbox'><img src='http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/images/external.png' width='500' height='40'><br>Turner also held that the subject former statutes were neither arbitrary nor <br />
unreasonable when they required that teachers in private full-time day schools only be <br />
“persons capable of teaching” and did not have to hold a valid teaching credential for <br />
the grade being taught, but did require that a home tutor hold such a credential. The <br />
court observed that whereas it is unreasonably difficult and expensive for a state to <br />
supervise parents who instruct children in their homes, supervising teachers in <br />
organized private schools is less difficult and expensive. (Turner, supra, <br />
121 Cal.App.2d Supp. at p. 867.) Moreover, it would not be unreasonable for the <br />
Legislature to conclude that teachers in private schools would be directly supervised by <br />
the persons who run the schools, and such persons would have an interest in <br />
maintaining the required standard of instruction by competent teachers so that the <br />
schools would continue to qualify for the private full-time day school exemption. (Id. at <br />
pp. 867-868.) <br />
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Additionally, the Turner court rejected, and noted that courts in other states had <br />
also rejected, the notion that parents instructing their children at home come within the <br />
private full-time day school exemption in then-section 16624 (now section 48222). The <br />
court stated that a simple reading of the statutes governing private schools and home <br />
instruction by private tutors shows the Legislature intended to distinguish the two, for if <br />
a private school includes a parent or private tutor instructing a child at home, there <br />
would be no purpose in writing separate legislation for private instruction at home. <br />
(Turner, supra, 121 Cal.App.2d Supp. at p. 868; accord Shinn, supra, 195 Cal.App.2d at <br />
p. 693.) </div> <br />
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If you haven't read the <a href="http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B192878.PDF" target="_blank" class="postlink">decision</a> yet, you should. It is quite enlightening. </div>
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