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posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 07:38 AM
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Wacky California, at it again apparently.

I totally disagree with the state telling parents that they can't homeschool their children. Considering the rather abysmal state of many of the school systems here in the US, I think it's becoming more important than ever for parents to have options about their children's education. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Teacher's Union was throwing its considerable resources behind initiatives like this around the country. When the school system is more concerned with keeping incompetent teachers in the classroom, than providing the best education they can for the students, something is seriously wrong.

I think this does highlight another issue, and that's of the burgeoning Nanny-state here in the U.S. People are right to get pissed at California forcing students to attend schools as opposed to being homeschooled, but why aren't people also up in arms over things like Universal Healthcare? We're ok with the govt taking away our freedom when it comes to medical care, but not when it comes to education? Just how much freedom is "ok" for us to give up?




posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 07:44 AM
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Okay so your the 2% of home schooled kids that either have a genetic disorder/ disease/ or "intremurual problems" that keep them from public school. ask.yahoo.com...



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 07:46 AM
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nces.ed.gov...

another link, so 2.2% of americans are homeschooled, 36% of that say for religious reasons. The other percentage goes to fear of environment and a better education, to bad these homeschooled kids don't get to elope very much; Sad cause they're definently missing out.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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What do you expect from the United Socialist State of California?

Op, I think your signature describes what we currently are experiencing. Doesn't matter if it's Clinton or Obama, George Soros is slowly and secretly putting his plan together.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 08:23 AM
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I live in Florida but am moving up to Iowa. I will still have my house in Florida though. Im thinking of homeschooling because I have approached the schools because I want to spend the jan-mar in Florida and the schools are telling me that I cant take 3 months out of the year and the kids not go to school. I asked if there were take home packets they could do and they were not willing to work with me at all.

No Im not religious or my kids dont have a disease as other posters ellude to Im just a parent who likes to see the world and take my kids with me. Anything wrong with living in this life?



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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It won't be Clinton or Obama. They do not choose a president through ballot. They select them by blood, which is why McCain will become the next president, if not Bush for a third term. ("Third term? There is no such thing, there has never been a president that has run a third term") It is possible, do not doubt crooked minds. Third term, third war, unless the third party candidate Nader takes it. (hopefully) Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if it was ordered "No more homeschool" for every state. Anythings possible.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Read your own links



Sixteen percent of homeschooled students had parents whose primary reason for homeschooling was dissatisfaction with the academic instruction available at other schools, making this the third most common primary reason for homeschooling.


The quality of the schoolingsystem is the third-most mentioned reason.


While homeschooled kids have a reputation for being a bit socially awkward, their test scores are typically above average.


And they seem to get better test-results.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by xnibirux
there has never been a president that has run a third term


You might want to check again.


Franklin Delano Roosevelt (January 30, 1882 – April 12, 1945), often referred to by his initials FDR, was the thirty-second President of the United States. Elected to four terms in office, he served from 1933 to 1945, and is the only U.S. president to have served more than two terms of office. He was a central figure of the 20th century during a time of worldwide economic crisis and world war.


en.wikipedia.org...

Just a little history lesson.

Back to home schooling:

As much as I am biased against home schooling, people have the right to do it. As long as the child is getting the proper education. Actually, IMO, these days, they probably get a better one.

I have yet to meet a home schooled child that can't read. I can't say the same for the public school system.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Harman

And they seem to get better test-results.


I think a feral kid raised by wolves in the Yukon would get better scores than public school kids.


If you can't afford to send your kid to the private school of your choice homeschooling is the only way to go. Lord knows I don't want my kids lumped into a government factory that struggles to turn out products that meet the expectations of the lowest common denominator.

Christ, if I had a dollar for every illiterate high school grad I've met I could start up my own private school.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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It seems people forget that state governments regulate home schooling. Every state I've ever been to requires that home schoolers. Look at the site posted at the top of the article: www.hsc.org...

From under the "getting started" portion of the page...

Tutoring

Parents with a valid teaching credential can act as tutors for their children, or parents may employ a credentialed teacher. However, tutors and parents who choose to tutor their own children must fulfill certain legal requirements, including the teacher must have a valid and current California state credential appropriate to the grade level of the child or children being taught .


Now, from the rense article:

The panel of judges ruled that the Long family failed to demonstrate "that [the] mother has a teaching credential such that the children can be said to be receiving an education from a credentialed tutor," and that their involvement and supervision by Sunland Christian School's independent study programs was of no value.


There are systems and processes you have to go through. Being Christian does NOT entitle you to special legal privileges.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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My younger brother was home schooled by my parents and it was not religiously motivated. He is now 30 and doing very good for himself. He is not antisocial at all.

Public schools are a joke. A daycare center while parents go to work. This is not an 'intelligent' move as you describe. This is about control. Not about what is best for people. If we were truly concerned about education the schools would be doing a better job. This country is going down hill fast and you can thank the glorious public, government, education system for that. How can we keep our freedoms if we keep turning out mindless, ignorant robots.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Now, from the rense article:

The panel of judges ruled that the Long family failed to demonstrate "that [the] mother has a teaching credential such that the children can be said to be receiving an education from a credentialed tutor," and that their involvement and supervision by Sunland Christian School's independent study programs was of no value.


But why does the government even CARE? Seriously, what's their motivation here?

It's been a very long time since I got the impression that the government cared about the people. They might pretend to care every once in a while in order to keep the corporate machine running smoothly, but I really don't think that big brother "just wants what's best" for little Johnny.

The public school system is horrible. If they really cared so damn much they'd improve educational standards instead of making sure everyone is indoctrinated with the same material by outlawing homeschooling.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox


Tutoring

Parents with a valid teaching credential can act as tutors for their children, or parents may employ a credentialed teacher. However, tutors and parents who choose to tutor their own children must fulfill certain legal requirements, including the teacher must have a valid and ...
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20 years ago, i tried to homeschool our kids, but SC wouldn't allow it,
I would need a teachers credential & current certificate, approved lesson plan etc.

i had to relent for several months and be forced to have the kids get 'bussed' 20 miles distant...
that was until i could enroll them both at the 5 mile distant Christian Academy which had no tax supported busses.

i think the lax homeschooling of the present is going to have a blowback,
much like the lax credit requirements had on creating the realestate bubble
~if that analogy makes sense to the readers~



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Lokey13
reply to post by antar
 


Okay so your the 2% of home schooled kids that either have a genetic disorder/ disease/ or "intremurual problems" that keep them from public school. ask.yahoo.com...



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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How outrageous!!!!


As a parent it is MY CHOICE if I want to protect my kids from the idiots we sometimes have in teaching positions. Plus, this seems like another step towards total govt control.

HMMMMMM......

California, Arnold Schwarznegger(sp), is NOT an american born citizen, and he is the head of a state that is moving towards outrageous violations of parents rights IF this ruling is upheld.

What a coinkidink. *puke icon



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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Because it makes it easier for the government
to indocrinate the masses if all of the yunguns are herded into goverment sanctioned buildings for the greater part of their youth.

I predict a rise in teacher education credits/incentives, by our federal government soon. Enticing like minded(which means feeble minded easily led sheeple) into teaching positions will come next. IMO.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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I was watching America the Stupid, and there are some good schools out there, they mainly mentioned that the more money the school has doesn't matter, there were some schools that didn't have all the money and they did absolutely phenomenal with graduation rates.

Here in Canada there is the home schooling, private schools, Montessori schools they laws aren't that restrictive of what school one can attend. I don't really know much about the district things and if there is fraud or not like some lie about their addresses in order for their kids to get into a good school.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 11:18 AM
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On education:



In 1997, a study of 5,402 homeschool students from 1,657 families was released. It was entitled, "Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America." The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. A significant finding when analyzing the data for 8th graders was the evidence that homeschoolers who are homeschooled two or more years score substantially higher than students who have been homeschooled one year or less. The new homeschoolers were scoring on the average in the 59th percentile compared to students homeschooled the last two or more years who scored between 86th and 92nd percentile.


From here

(my emphasis)



Over 74% of home-educated adults ages 18–24 have taken college-level courses, compared to 46% of the general United States population

From Beyond Graduation


Homeschool Students Excel in College



Homeschooling Research

Much more from all the links above.



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Socialization:


Smedley had this information processed using the statistical program for the social sciences and the results demonstrated that the home-schooled children were better socialized and more mature than the children in the public school. The home-schooled children scored in the 84th percentile while the matched sample of public school children only scored in the 27th percentile.




In addition, several studies have been done to measure homeschoolers' "self-concept," which is the key objective indicator for establishing a child's self-esteem. A child's degree of self-esteem is one of the best measurements of his ability to successfully interact on a social level. One such study was conducted by John Wesley Taylor, using the Piers-Harris Children's Self-Concept Scale to evaluate 224 home-schooled children. They study found that 50 percent of the children scored above the 90th percentile, and only 10.3 percent scored below the national average.




In 2004, Dr. Susan McDowell wrote “But What About Socialization? Answering the Perpetual Home Schooling Question: A Review of the Literature” following a challenge to document the common idea that homeschoolers are not socialized in comparison to those students in public schools. McDowell, whose PhD from Vanderbilt University is in educational leadership, claims: “It’s a non-issue today. All the research shows children are doing well.”



In the public school system, children are socialized horizontally, and temporarily, into conformity with their immediate peers. Home educators seek to socialize their children vertically, toward responsibility, service, and adulthood, with an eye on eternity


From here

(emphasis mine)



posted on Mar, 6 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Race:


There was no significant difference between minority and white homeschooled students. For example, in grades K-12, both white and minority students scored, on the average, in the 87th percentile. In math, whites scored in the 82nd percentile while minorities scored in the 77th percentile. In the public schools, however, there is a sharp contrast. White public school eighth grade students, nationally scored the 58th percentile in math and the 57th percentile in reading. Black eighth grade students, on the other hand, scored on the average at the 24th percentile in math and the 28th percentile in reading. Hispanics scored at the 29th percentile in math and the 28th percentile in reading.


Wealth:


the average cost per homeschool student is $546 while the average cost per public school student is $5,325. Yet the homeschool children in this study averaged in 85th percentile while the public school students averaged in the 50th percentile on nationally standardized achievement tests



found that eighth grade students whose parents spend $199 or less on their home education score, on the average, in the 80th percentile. Eighth grade students whose parents spend $400 to $599 on their home education also score on the average, in the 80th percentile


Parent Education:


found no significant statistical differences in academic achievement between those students taught by parents with less formal education and those students taught by parents with higher formal education



The findings of this study do not support the idea that parents need to be trained and certified teachers to assure successful academic achievement of their children.


Regulation:


whether a state had a high degree of regulation (i.e., curriculum approval, teacher qualifications, testing, home visits) or a state had no regulation of homeschoolers, the homeschooled students in both categories of states performed the same. The students all scored on the average in the 86th percentile regardless of state regulation.


All from here





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