"The End of America" (Naomi Wolf) Video, page 3

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Amaterasu

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As a studier of history, her historic comparison was anything short of embarrassing to be honest..

Wow. I study history as well, and know that there are tactics used to topple democracies into fascist states (as she pointed out, was done by Moussalini (sp?) and Hitler). Not the exact same things are happening here under the Bush admin, but surely comparable things are.

Anyone can relate the US to anything they want.. to Nazi's and other villains and "evil" groups of people who tried to take over the world and cause as much harm as possible..

I disagree. If we were to compare the US to Nazi Germany 20 years ago, though there were the tiny beginnings even then, mostly, it would have been laughable. Today, with the War on Drugs having been used to get us to accept things like property being seized without due process, our doors being burst open by official thugs, and the War on Terror being used to justify enemy combatants, the removal of habeas corpus, spying on all of us, and so on, the comparisons between the US and Nazi Germany are stark.

In reality, it is as I said in my post, the one you did not quote from -- nations follow a path that is destined to them, however, no two nations will ever be the same .. no two governments.. and because the incidents, the choices, the situations are all going to be different, no two can be compared.

Again, I disagree. Although not the "same" - as in "identical" - we can point to some countries and say, they are democratic though their systems do differ from one another. Other countries we can say are dictatorships, even though the policies and practices from one to the next differ. And the US now is a fascist state with an thin veil of democracy in place for the placation of the masses. No, we are not a Hitleresque state - yet - but the moves the admin has made, and what we see around us today is more that than the free state(s) that our Founding Individuals were trying to create.

That is.. America cannot be compared to any past nation based on policies..

That depends on the policy and what of that policy one is comparing. No, Blackwater is not the SS. It differs in some ways. But the basic function of Blackwater matches closely with the SS. So there is a fair comparison. And as time goes on, it is clear that Blackwater (and likely other private forces) will easily take over the SS role completely.

If you are getting what I mean?

I get what you are trying to say, but respectfully disagree on all counts.

And so you know, because apparently not praising this woman for.. ahem .. "being so brave" (how is it brave to speak in a nation of free speech? .. If you think her speech was exciting you lead dull lives) I am automatically a Republican?

LOL! I did not say you were republican. I asked if you voted for Bush. I know some very misguided Dems who voted for Bush. It just seemed that you had something you were defending, and the only reason I could see for feeling the need for defending the administration was that one voted for it. [shrug]

I am a Libertarian.

Awesome. I am closer to Libertarian than any other political divide.

Oddly she said she would vote for a Libertarian before Hilary or Obama.. not new .. I have heard many Liberals say this.. and it is ironic to no end because you see a Libertarian is an ultra Conservative.

Well... I disagree there, too. From what I can see, there are a great number of things Libertarians are very conservative on (e.g., upholding the constitution and, especially, the Bill of Rights). But there are a great deal of things they are very liberal on (e.g., prohibition should be eliminated).

Now I would think that you, as a Libertarian, should be one who can see the distance we have been dragged by this administration (and, through the War on Drugs, previous administrations) from our beloved Constitution and our most exalted Bill of Rights. I would think you could see the direction in which we have been dragged. And it all adds up to fascism. A cross between The Prince, Mein Kamph (sp?), and Orwell's 1984.

No, it's not Hitler's fascism. It's a hybrid of many fascist setups. but it is fascism that we are headed for, nonetheless.

[edit on 3/7/2008 by Amaterasu]

reply to post by Realtruth

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I watched the video. I thought it was believable until the scenario where Americans depose Bush ,put him jail and live happily ever after. Who the devil would replace Bush? Both parties have been moving in this direction. I have a bad feeling that academics will have no problem with leftists doing exactly as Bush has done and worse.

How I missed this important thread I have no idea. Op I accidentally started another new thread a few minutes ago not knowing this was already up and going. Forgive me.

I will have to take a few minutes, make a cup of coffee and read what other members think of this gal, she is one of the best speakers I have found on the truth of where we are as a dying Democracy world wide.

This is a fantastic video she did not sure if it made it to this thread, I looked real quick but did not see it...




[edit on 6-11-2008 by antar]

reply to post by Roper

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In the near future we will see only civilian based civil service and Military jobs, they will make it the only way to get an education and or have debt forgiveness when you enlist with them...

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Roper

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In the near future we will see only civilian based civil service and Military jobs, they will make it the only way to get an education and or have debt forgiveness when you enlist with them...

I watch the your second video.

To my way of thinking, this will come from the Democrats. What Wolf is saying is her videos applies to Obama as well. Maybe more so simply because of his past positions on firearms.

Don't get me wrong, the hair on my neck stood up when I first heard Bush talk about forming the "Office of Homeland security" Later I felt sure he wasn't going to use it against the average citizen but I was fearful of what someone like Clinton or Obama would do.

Again, we now have a" President Elect", there is no way Bush will try to hold power. That man wants a long vacation.

Wolf needs to take a very hard look at Barrack Hussein Obama a man she helped elect. I'll bet money she won't.

Roper

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