John Titor is right again. Barack Obama associates himself with Abraham Lincoln., page 2

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
Tell me how, on these points, you disagree ...

Bush thinks he is doing the country justice, thinks he will go down in history as a great president ...

Name one President that doesn't think that?

and how that does not mirror the unpopular actions of Lincoln at the time and his actions in the civil war?

Lincoln had 10000x more support in what he did than anything Bush has ever done.
Lincolns actions, the reasons for them, are NOTHING like what Bush has done. You can't even come close to comparing the two.

How does he not fit in any way to being a type of president who thought his impacts would be on the scale of Lincoln.

I can't ever recall Bush comparing himself or the impacts of his actions to Lincoln. If fact you're probably the first one I've ever heard say anything like that.

Then also tell me how you cannot see that his signing statements, bills, and actions have not had a negative impact on the bill of rights, things like legalizing warrantless wiretapping, allowing imprisonment without council or cause, and blocking access and checks and balances within the government ... for starters, look around in this site for many more.

What?
You're exactly right. They HAVE had a negative impact. Which is the complete opposite of the results of what Lincoln did and totally flies in the face on what Titor predicted..

Now, tell me how you don't see the three people running for office right now talking about doing certain things, but at the same time starting to show a strong leaning towards their political bases.

How are these two things not happening, in your eyes.

wtf are you talking about?
I never said that stuff isn't happening

It IS.

I have looked over his designs and have read some of his statements.

Just some of his statements? I strongly suggest you read all of them.

btw, are you a nuclear physicist? What are your qualifications for proving everything he claims as invalid?

What does being a nuclear physicist have to do with anything? Anyway, yes I do know enough science to see his BS, but professors and qualified people who have looked at his stuff have pointed out the many holes and inaccuracies in this science.

Now, let us talk about black holes and particle accelerators ... have you been paying attention to the recent posts? They believe they will make microscopic black holes with it.

Ok...
What does that have to do with anything?

Now, tell me how that doesn't fit into Titor-ness.

Simply, that has absolutely nothing to do with human time travel

They can create as many singularities as they want, good for them!

(also they have been working on this stuff way before titor came on the scene)

See, you don't have an open mind to this. I can understand. I also don't claim this guy was real, but he sure got a lot of things clost from 8 years ago.

Please, I have been discussing Titor for years. My conclusions have come from facts and facts alone.

Now, tell the truth, you love the Titor stuff. You love the threads. You must, since you seem to be drawn to them like flies on honey.

Sure. It's an interesting human study.
People cling to certain beliefs and won't alter their beliefs when proven wrong, they just change the interpretation of the original writing and/or make stuff up (and in this case, move dates around). Very interesting stuff.
I'm just trying to find out how long people will last. 2007 lost a lot of believers, but as this thread shows, there are still hold outs (who are becoming increasingly irrational)

Maybe you secretly believe, and to come on here and just say 'nuh uh', is a way to keep denial within yourself.

lol, what would I be denying?
That some person claiming to be from the future came back and talked on a message board (a message board in which he would be most received) and made predictions with specific dates, and those dates have come and gone with nothing happening, is real?
Yes...Yes I am categorically denying that it was real

Sorry for not believing a proven hoax...
(If you really want proof...you would find it. It IS out there. I don't think you want to though)

I really see your response to me as nothing more than 'nothing to see here, just some swamp gas, please move along' because you just ignored debating and just said 'you are wrong on so many levels' ... that is quite rude and crass. If you want to disagree, do so with some decency, respect, and intellect ... don't throw mud and be so dismissive.

Fine, I'll go over your post line by line if that's what you really want. But seriously, you have your beliefs so you're probably just going to ignore.
*sigh*

Wait a second ... does that not go with what old Bushie at least shows to the public he thinks he was doing? He said he was a 'uniter' and all this Licoln-esque stuff. He thinks history will record him as a great man (like Lincoln). Yet, most of his policies have been destroying the constitution and the bill of rights.

1. Bush has done nothing Lincolnesque....and again, I can't recall him stating how the thinks history will record him. He may very well think that though as ALL presidents do.
2. Yeah his policies are horrible which means he should switch places with the 2009 president right. Since Titor said that's what the next president would be doing, lol.

emphasis on the possibility of a female president, which, in 01 wasn't at the forefront of peoples minds

Actually it was.
People back then were suggesting Hillary run (in the future) if you remember. Why do you think she got elected to the senate a couple years later?
(there were also a couple women - of other parties of course - on the 2000 presidential ballot)

McCain is starting to mimic Bush's ideals, catering to the republican base

What do you mean?
He's a Republican. Who is he supposed to cater too when seeking the nomination?

and the difference between Obama and Clinton is slim, with Clinton being a hair more democratic party pandering.

What does this have to do with anything?

There is a possibility of the canceling of the Olympics in protest to China, with the Tibetan instance being unique timing to make the issue more passionate.

The timing is certainly not a coincidence and I seriously doubt the Olympics will be canceled. Some countries may boycott, but it probably won't be canceled.

Police and security are slowly implementing more force, more use of tasers, even on children, throwing parapalegics out of wheel chairs, forcing a lady to remove her piercings to fly ... things are turning fast.

There is no evidence at all that police are using more force.
Do you know what they were doing before tasers became more widely used? lol

How different is life now? How many rights have we lost on paper, but not implemented to the general public? We have admitted to torture, then denouncing simulated drowning was torture. We have soldiers posing with dead bodies giving a thumbs up. We have mercenaries under our payroll fighting in other countries.

1. Yeah we admitted...which is a HUGE change. You really think this is new? They have been doing this for years. The fact that they even admitted it is a miracle. That is a huge step forward.
2. The posing and mercenaries is NOTHING new at all. Even tame to some stuff that has gone on in past wars.
3. What does this have to do with Titor?

We have been in a 'soft' war for years

Please, if that is the case then there has NEVER been a time in the history of the U.S. that a war has not been going on.

when there are similarities that would have been hard for anyone to predict or reason to nearly happen

Are you kidding? Nothing...NOTHING Titor stated was even close to being new.
In fact he plagiarized a book.

It is interesting, even if he was a fake, how right he was

Right on what exactly?

And, here is something for those who claim he was a hoax. Well, he is supposedly back to the future now. Find the man. That will be your best case against him. If you cannot, then your claims are just as unfounded, now aren't they?

That makes zero sense. If he's a hoax, that means he doesn't exist so you can't find him....

So, really, besides a violent civil war, Titor has been accurate. But, there is civil unrest and rights being trampled on. And, if you think clearly, the country wasn't in an outright civil war at 2008, because we were cohesive and peaceful enough to elect a president. So, the 'war' would have to be AFTER the 2008 elections and once the newly elected had office for a period of time.

This is what I mean when I say people alter the original writings to try and make it fit. Titor clearly stated that the WAR (the actual war) would begin in 2004 and he clearly stated how it would begin. In 2008, every state should be affected by now according to Titor.

See, I wonder how much people actually pay attention when they read, because I don't have to study too much to figure out some of this stuff.

That's the problem. You NEED to study or at least read his stuff...