Oh MY Gosh. This is not news at all. That is written from an opinion not fact. The person who said this does not believe in God, Jesus, Satan, or The Bible as a Whole. So they make a statement and it’s news, please. How is this news.

I will say again. Something that was written over, I said over 2000 years ago is unfolding and happening right before your eyes. Believe it or not the time to sell and buy without some kind of mark on you is coming closer than you think. Look at how close it is already. They are already putting it in your credit cards and drivers licenses. Give it time. The right disaster comes upon us and in order to claim your innocents or your freedoms they are going to have to mark you. You want to eat. You want to board that airplane. You want to travel to another state or country then take this mark. If you don’t take the mark than you must be guilty of planning an attack. So you will go to prison and to death. They already have in place all the technology to track you and follow you every where you go. You say this can’t happen.

Some people is already being chipped. They think its nothing. Sure its nothing until enough people have it already they can control and use you. How can people not see that this is exactly what was written over 2000 years ago? It spelled it out in black and white. You can’t say it didn’t say it when it is there. You can’t say it’s a lucky guess. You can’t say that’s not what is happening when it’s set up to be able to scan you just so you can buy without using money or credit or debit. All you have to do is let yourself be scanned and it comes out of your bank funds for you. This is what they want. Then if you don’t comply with them they will turn your chip off and you won’t be able to buy anything. PERIOD.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.





I mean people thinks actually thinks on star Is something good. When it only helps the government out. When the day comes and people is trying to run or hide to defend for themselves, they will just lock and stop your car for you. Can’t use it to get you a mile down the road. Not to mention without that mark no gas for that on star car.

They are already making a seeds of our fruits and vegetables virgin seeds so that we can’t reuse them over and over to feed ourselves. They are trying as hard as they can to make everyone dependant upon them. Our deer’s and cows have the mad cow disease. Chickens and turkeys and birds have the bird flu. Fish have mercury. I mean they are destroying any way necessary that we may have to survive on our own. They have the whole earth mapped out. They can watch you type on your computer. They can watch you bath. Watch every move you make.

People say’s, “I don’t care if I am not doing nothing wrong, then why do I care.” OMG. It’s not about not doing nothing wrong. It’s about the Word of God which was written over 2000 years ago unfold right before your eyes.


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So far we have came to the conclusion that there was dope around in 500bc

I believe there should be an *asterisk* by the names of all the writers of the bible that may or may not have been under the influence of a literary enhancing substance.

Originally posted by runetang

Originally posted by alexg

like the mistranslation of the word Cannabis into the word for Sweet Cane in every portion of the Bible describing the ingredients for the holy annointing oil.

I know that the word hashish, means assasin, and that's because assasins would indulge before going out on a "job"
Could it be that "Cannabis" could derive from the land of CANNA , (pronounced KAY NAH)
I've never read that reference to "sweet cane" in the bible before,
..nor have I heard it listed as an ingrediant in holy annointing oil
I always thought cannabis got it's name from it's GENUS type?
..just wandering
cheers

A number of Bible Books authors tell the reader that they were;
carried away in spirit - or - caught up in a vision, etc


now any of their contemporaries, clerics & priests, kept a high scrutiny
on any person who claimed they were prophets or else received
inspiration or instruction from the tribal G0d...

If the author was even thought to be performing from a drug induced
state...none of his words would carry any weight -> and would summarily
be trashed as Not being Divinely inspired...but evil incarnate

I'm not saying the supernatural was actually at work, what i'm saying is that whatever was at work in authoring writings that were compiled into a Bible...was not explainable to the religious leaders of their time.
but it was sure clear that dope, drugs, and the like were the forte' of the pagan shamans and not the priestly class of early Hebrews or the later Jews & Christian church leaders

Originally posted by junglejake

In addition to this, there is a ton of historical evidence that would have to be dismissed to make this fit, including prophecy, as I mentioned earlier, that was made hundreds of years before it came to pass.

Please enlighten me. What prophecy was made that came to pass and please prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the prophecy wasn't re-written, re-interpreted or whatever after the fact. The proof being a carbon dated correctly translated document preceding the unambiguous prophecy!

This is of course more of a personal belief but, what if God speaks to us threw altered neurochemistry? What if gods channel is currently blocked off to us, and we can only hear it/him/her through altered preceptions?

If this were fact, would it change anything for any of you?

Edit to add: This has been a good thread thats managed to stay on topic BTW

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Originally posted by InSpiteOf
What if gods channel is currently blocked off to us, and we can only hear it/him/her through altered preceptions?

If this were fact, would it change anything for any of you?

No it wouldn't change a thing. We already use altered states of awareness to communicate with God. It's called 'prayer' and 'meditation' etc.

Were 'drugs' an ingredient in the heightened states of consciousness revealed in the Bible? Who knows! It certainly should not offend or upset anybody to consider it... but because we have been conditioned by Luciferian government to fear all methods of consciousness exploration (including drugs) : of COURSE they are going to be outraged like any other conservative.

Still, I am more inclined to believe that altered states of awareness were achieved through meditation and prayer. The exact methods of such meditation and prayer were taught by Jesus and his apostles and was then REMOVED from the scripture and hidden by the Vatican.

Altered, or heightened states of consciousness, are something that people have been taught by Luciferian society to fear... when it is probably the single most important thing for our evolution, don't you agree?

Both you and Junglejake addressed similar points in your posts, but I will address them seperately for clarities sake.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
We already use altered states of awareness to communicate with God. It's called 'prayer' and 'meditation' etc.

I happen to agree with you. Both prayer and meditation alter neurochemistry. I never specified whether the alteration would be from an exogenous or endogenous source.

Were 'drugs' an ingredient in the heightened states of consciousness revealed in the Bible? Who knows!

This is where my speculation was going. Even if the bible scholars weren't tripping, what if they had increased levels of certain tryptamines and/or phenethylamines which allowed them to tap into God channel (im using that term for lack of a better one)

Still, I am more inclined to believe that altered states of awareness were achieved through meditation and prayer.

Im actually more inclined to believe it was a combination of both.

The exact methods of such meditation and prayer were taught by Jesus and his apostles and was then REMOVED from the scripture and hidden by the Vatican.

Interesting theory, and would certainly make some sense.

when it is probably the single most important thing for our evolution, don't you agree?

Fully, that is why I practice what I do.

Originally posted by junglejake
I never replied to your last question last night; sorry!

No problem, i fgured you'd get around to it sooner or later.

Regarding, would I die for Christ... I hope so. Like so many veterans of battles say, you don't know what you'll actually do until the bullets start flying,

Interesting and acurate quote.

but I cannot be sure at all.

Nor could I. But my point was, If a culture believed that a mushroom, a vine, a tree, a plant (etc) represented a gift from god; furthermore, a direct connection to god, is it not believable that they would protect it with their lives? (much the same way as you would protect Jesus with yours?)

If, on the other hand, Christ were a drug that brought me closer to God, I would be fine with denying it publicly while still practicing it in private.

And how would you hide your practice? Perhaps by using metaphore and analogy?

I wouldn't die for a method of worship, I don't think.

Its not really a method of worship, so much as it is a direct link to spiritualism. (IMO)

As to altered states, your contention would rely on a belief that anyone who does not take psychoactive drugs cannot connect with nor hear from God.

Again, it was not my intent to inferr this; that you need to take drugs to feel/talk to god. In fact, what I was trying to suggest is that, altered neurochemistry (by altered I simply mean elevated levels of certain chemicals) may provide a gateway or connection to gods channel. Further, outside sources of these chemicals are not necessary as some of them already exist in our bodies in small amounts.

Perhaps god is the one who alters your brain chemistry in order for your to hear him/her/it? I dont know, im just throwing the idea's out there.

it would mean I'm either a liar, a lunatic, or that contention would be false.

I would never suggest such a thing. I have no grounds to validate or invalidate your personal experiances with the realms beyound our own.

On a far less personal account, if the God of the universe created us and chose how to communicate with us, why would He make it so difficult and why would He restrict Himself?

The human psyche and ego are fragile things, perhaps god saw the increase in tryptamines and phenethylamines as a way of communicating with us, while leaving our fragile parts undamaged or behind (albeit, for a short period of time)

We call out to Him, but we can't hear Him and He can't talk to us because He decided the only way we could hear from Him was if we were tripping on something.

Well, as this specifically applies to the use of a substance in order to hear god and such a thing was not ment to be inferred by my post, ill leave it unanswered for now.

Often religious wars get started this way. Scientology believes and tells their members that Jesus was a homosexual pedophile- and now we have Israelis saying Moses was high. Personally I don't really care anymore what people say about religion but I do respect people's right to believe in the faith of their choice no matter how stupid and nonsensical it may be. That withstanding, any religion which must jab another isn't very confident in their own beliefs and must discredit one to credit theirs. Its all become so stupid and superstitious. I can't follow any of them anymore!

Originally posted by BugZyZuncle

Originally posted by Mr. Ree

It's obvious to most people who have delved into drugs that the bible was written by those under the influence of something.

The Bible was written by those under the influence of the Holy Spirit, as God directed them to write.

You people will do/say anything to remove God from the equation so that you can justify your way of living.

Rest assured that God will let you believe anything that your deceived minds can conjur. He wants no part of you!

How do you remove God from anything???

Are you on alcohol?

You are drugs. You already have DMT in your Pineal Gland. You already have what LSD helps release in you also.

Up against the wall! Yer under arrest man! But mostly for bearing false witness.

You do not have to mention God to say god. In very orthodox religious teachings if you use the name of God you are blaspheming. So, you think we should?

Judge not, lest ye be judged with the same measure.

ZG

Any one of sufficient education in Anthropological and Sociological sciences including historic and cultural literature knows sacred plants have been used since history was written, and evidenced before. No big thing really.

What has really messed up folks is the disinformation from the people of evil needs and addictions to power wanting control, that knew you could get by their forced-down-the-throat religious autocracies with these sacramental substances. So they modified and interpreted scripture to control and eventually turn off spirituality in religion banning not only the sacraments God gave us for free choice, but also the very states of awareness that would see through their evil veil of lies and corrupt manipulation.

These molecules (sacred plants and substances) do nothing but push your buttons that are already part of your body and manually help you to change to HD consciousness instead of AM forms of awareness we are forced to maintain with threats of imprisonment, religious excommunication, scorn and other un-spiritual practices better used for evil.

Studies found we do not NEED these plants, but in certain situations like to introduce you to how much more spiritual and full of awareness we have access to. Then, you know it is there, and know you come back and get there WITHOUT the training wheels.

If I told you that you where in even less than a primitive cartoon world, and you said prove it, so I take out your old hanger antenna and plug you in to an HD cable signal, and you see that, enjoy that for 6 hours, with billions of stations and subjects, would you come back to your cartoon? Likely the shock would scare your little cartoon plans and value systems, but if you are of sufficient intelligence it would be plain that remaining stupid and clueless in a monochromatic existence would be madness.

How hard would you hold on to ignorance after you knew how 2 dimensional your life was and how much love, understanding and connection to what you call GOD you where missing?

Like I said, you don't need the drugs, but any arguments against them might indicate you need to experience something more if your view is still AM mono radio, no picture.

Try HD 1080i video in 3D with Surround Sound and you will toss out that little transistor radio you where lied to about being the ONLY format for awareness.

"i don't need drugs. I AM drugs" Salvador Dali

See you there.

ZG