Bible written while high?

Really? I thought god loved us all and wanted us all in heaven?

Besides, my argument isnt that god does not exist because everything in the bible is a drug trip. My argument is that certain drugs in combination with spiritual exploration get you more in touch with god. After all, it was god that put these plants and substances on earth, right?

The only thing that gets me is this....

Have you researched into the "Bible Code"?

Its a pretty amazing thing really!

Mathematically sound, and full of weird history matrix's, the Bible Code predicts possible futures, and allows you to view a matrix of events by inputing and searching for keywords found in the old testament I believe.

For this to be a reality, I believe that ET's have to be responsible for the hidden mathematical matrix inside the Bible.

With that being said, THERE IS NO WAY that humans back then could have possibly encoded the bible with staggering mathematically sound matrix's.

So,
I believe drugs had a part, but, not this part.

The Bible was made by omniscient beings.

food for thought, moses brought over 2 million people out of egypt, do you think they all were high? Highly doubt it....pardon the pun




Keeper

i have to agree. in fact, only interpretation of religious text involves lots of ethneogens. A great movie/book on this topic is called a Pharmacratic Inquisition.

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The fact? Based on what? With the Dead Sea Scrolls in conjunction with the Septuagint, that's a pretty tough claim to maintain with any scholarly credibility...

I have a question regarding the origins and veracity of the Bible. Isn't it a book that is firmly based on faith? Faith cannot be scientifically proven, yet many followers of Christ make IMHO pseudoscientific statements, and draw historical, factual conclusions that are not 100% clear ( at least to me )

Is there a lack of faith, overshadowed by the current zeitgeist to explain every mystery?

Same thing with the "other" side that is trying to disprove and attack what cannot be attacked, because it is a belief system.

IMHO the Bible's origins are shrouded in mystery. Was Moses high when he wrote down those words? Who knows for sure and who cares? There is so much knowledge in that book. It will keep us spiritually fed for eons to come. That's what I care about

Hey,

Just saw your post. Thank you for your reply.

Well, I'm happy that you believe in your scholarly credibility. I believe that the rabbit hole is deeper than you think Does the KJV have the same amount of books as the Ethiopian bible? Ah, who did the edit? Now, do you think there would be ancients texts that we were not told of ... Of course not

While this may appear to be a rabbit trail, I think it does relate to the original topic in that, if scripture can be demonstrated to be true extrabiblically, that is, outside of the Bible, even outside of Christianity, it causes the argument of millennia of high Jews to weaken significantly.

I, by the way, make no claim of scholarship, but have read many articles and essays by learned athiests who probably know more about Christianity than I do who dismiss the rewritten argument as weak and focus instead on areas that have stronger evidence. The statements made regarding books being changed, added or detracted applies to only the new testament, and can be addressed, too, but for now I'm going to focus on, first, the Old testament, and then Jesus Himself.

In the case of the Old Testament, we have several copies from antiquity that are remarkably similar, namely the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint. Both were discovered only recently from thousands of years ago and were the same texts as those kept by Jews today as the Torah, historical books and books of the prophets. To have modified this, the conspirators must have known about Christianity about 400 years before Christ, or had time machines.

Regarding Jesus/Mushroom Symbolism

I wrote this a while back but can't find the post. Thankfully, I had a copy I had emailed myself, so here it is:

In his book "Why I Am Not A Christian", Bertrand Russell states,



Russell, it seems, has either turned a blind eye to the extra-biblical information (information outside of the Bible that speaks of Jesus), or he also doesn't believe Queen Elizabeth, Alexander the Great, Ramses the Great, Cleopatra nor Agustus Caesar ever existed or, if they did, that we know nothing about them. Kind of an audacious claim...Let's see what information is out there that talks of Christ.

Cornelius Tacitus was a Roman historian who was typically seen as the greatest historian of ancient Rome, according to Gary Habermas in The Verdict of History. Tacitus wrote two histories, one called The Annals that talks about the time from Augustus's death, 14 AD, to the death of Nero in 68 AD. The other book, The Histories, follow from 68 to 96 AD. In the Annals, he writes,



So in a rather unflattering manner, Tacitus notes that Jesus did exist, and had been put to death by Pilate. Norman Anderson even suspects that this passage alludes to Jesus's resurrection, when it notes that the superstition was checked for a moment before again breaking out.

Lucian of Samosata, a Greek satirist who lived in the latter half of the second century, spoke rather sarcastically of Christ and Christians in his The Death of Peregrine, never doubting Christ's existance, but rather mocking Christians for their worship of Him.



Then there's Suetonius, yet another Roman historian under Hadrian. He stated in his Life of Claudius,



This event was described in Acts 18:2:



I expect you've heard of Pliny the Younger, a familiar name to any who have seriously researched Christ in secular and anti-Christian accounts. He was the governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112. He was writing a letter to the emperor Trajan to find how to treat the Christians, noting he'd been killing them left and right, male and female, adult and child, but so many were being put to death he wondered if he should stop killing them all and instead only kill certain ones. He went on to write of their crime:



This was a mere 80 years after Christ's crucifixion. There may have still been some first hand accounts of what took place on that hill several years ago, and many who had heard of it from first hand accounts. The fact that Christianity had spread to Asia Minor alread validates Paul's travels, among others. Were they telling of this when people who had witnessed the crucifixion were around, such as when Paul took the gospel to Asia Minor, people would have stepped in and denied Christ's existance, or at least said it happened a different way.

What about earlier, though? Around the time of Christ's death, during the period spoken of in the book of Acts. It would be foolish to think that a carpenter would be spoken of in any histories during his life, or even an influential rabbi who had only been preaching for 3 years, but what about after? Thallus is one of the first secular historians who mentions Christ, around 52 AD. His writing has been quoted by others, but, sadly, does not still exist today. One such individual who quotes him is Julius Africanus. He quotes a passage in Thallus' work that talks about the darkness enveloping the land in the late afternoon when Jesus died on the cross. Africanus writes in his Chronography,



And already in 70 AD, philosophers were trying to call Jesus a philosopher instead of who He claimed to be during His life. Mara Bar-Serapion, a Syrian philosopher wrote his son from prision,



So to say there is no extra-Biblical source showing Christ ever existed is to turn a blind eye to all of history and essentially claim nothing existed before your memory. These were the secular, pagan writers speaking of Christ. I didn't even mention Josephus, nor any of the other Jewish or Christians who wrote about Him extra-Biblically. So to say that Christ was just a symbolic metaphor for taking mushrooms would be to ignore many who were outside of the whole scripture writing process.

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Sorry for going off-topic again, but you didn't answer my 2 questions about KJV/Ethiopian bible and WHO did the edit at all



Merci

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Those were both exellent posts, but of those you quoted, how many of them actaully saw the man Name Jesus? Spent time with him? Ate a meal or shared a drink with him?

It's so obvious you aren't seeing the forest for the trees.
Omniscient beings = God and the Angels

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Would you die for a mushroom? Everyone who did eat and drink with Him died for Him. Did they do it for alliteration?

Hey! At least they're agreeing with the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch!

But seriously, the title of the article sounds a little sensational. 'The Bible' was written by dozens of authors spanning many centuries. Not just by Moses who authored the Torah.

I get real tired of hearing how it is all edited to make the prophecy true.

The Great Isaiah Scroll has been carbon dated to a range of 335 BC-107 BC.. It is nearly identical to the text we have today. So what's all this editing? Sure there have translation issues but it is remarkably intact.

It contains prophecies about Yeshua that came true centuries later. Verifying the supernatural foreknowledge of the future and that Yeshua was the messiah.

Ok two versions at least 1000 years apart. Prophecy of the coming Messiah Yeshua (jesus)



Below is the same passage from the Great Isaiah Scroll.



Now how severe are those differences? For 1000s of years and translations?
Still predicting the life of Christ clearly millenia before his birrth.

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First, just to clarify: I do not necessarily feel that The Christ was actually a metaphorical figure and actually a mushroom. I like the theory because it actually does raise interesting parallels between a culture, suppression of religion during dangerous times, and an iconic creation that gives its users (or followers, perhaps?) a unique connection to God.

As for your question, if the mushroom represented a sacred connection between man and god (in the way listed above)? I don't know, I'm not in that position and I cant extrapolate on this issue.

Would you have died for your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ?

Edit to add: The above line has no intention of malice or anger.

I just reread that part and felt it was a little hostile. I didn't take it out because I actually want a response to it, but nonetheless felt it necessary to include this note.

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I'm sorry but I dont buy this one bit. Not just because I'm pro-Bible, but because it doesn't make sense at the root level. Let me explain.

Being relatively experienced with psychedelics and psycho-active substances at one point or another, I can speak on this with some experience.

When under the influence of a religiously used, psychedelic substance, you and the man next to you do not share the same experience and effects from the substance. What I mean is, the visions created from the psychedelic will not be identical because every brain is different, therefore every personal hallucination will be somewhat different, even if they share similarities, there WILL be differences.

So you tell me, how did 600,000 witness the same hallucination, at the same time, as the Red Sea was parted in front of them, as they could hear the thunderous sound of hundreds of chariots in pursuit? That sounds like a really bad trip if you ask me, and on top of it, a bad trip shared by 600,000 people universally. Why .. that would have to be a miracle, a gift from God for that to happen. So at the end, whether God parted the sea, or the people all shared the exact same hallucination (impossible without the grace of God), it was still a God given miracle, lol. It is really that cut and dry, IMO.

No two people "tripping" on a hallucinogen will have identical experiences, much less 600,000. Let me add that if they were on this substance when Moses went to the top of Mt Sinai to get the Commandments, they wouldn't have had the same visions then EITHER. And on top of that, they wouldn't have been organized enough and capable enough in such a state as to build a "golden calf idol" that they built while waiting for Moses to return. How do you sculpt that sucker when you're all bugged out on some trip?

And what of the tablets themselves, the 10 commandments. The story goes, Moses was angered by the golden calf idol and throws them and breaks them. How did they all see this? And this attests to the "fact" that the golden calf was indeed present, something a bunch of hippies at a grateful dead festival could NOT accomplish under the influence. And one man, Moses, under the influence would've had some trouble carving those rules up on stone, considering all the peoples witnessed the same events.

Bottom line: If they witnessed the same events, be they hallucinations or not, this in itself is technically impossible without direct intervention of God, ie; God working the minds of each of the 600,000 israelites to witness the exact same hallucination, which in itself is a miracle of God.

Nothing else to see here folks, please proceed to the next religious topic.

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Yes I agree, if Moses was in fact wasted then that would throw doubt on only five books in the OT.

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Umm,
No....

God is a force not a being.....

Angels are merely spirit guides.....

I should have been more clear.....

ALIENS made the Bible!