Bible written while high?, page 2
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reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 10:15 AM by InSpiteOf
reply to post by Mr. Ree



Now now, we can discuss this and be civil. There is no need to push peoples religious buttons.

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


I guess the author is thinking that if one cultures religious stories were psychedelic induced, the others could be as well.

Of course, reading the book i mentioned, the author takes it further to say, that stories of the use of the mushroom and other drugs, became literal and twisted over the centuries.


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 10:34 AM by jimbo999
reply to post by junglejake



Hmmm...you all realise just what this means of course?? It pains me to admit this, but on this evidence - it appears the Hippies had it right all along!!

Psychotropic drug use and religious practice have a long history world wide - stretching back many thousands of years - so I see no real contradiction here.

It's quite concievable that the practice lasted many hundreds or thousands of years in the Jewish religion - why not. There was no concept of 'drugs' being dangerous or immoral back then. These are quite recent concepts.

I differ with your opinion on 'predictions' in the bible; no-one has any idea of who wrote what or when really. As for 44 authors? I believe that's 'official' authors accepted by the church leaders. The actual number of re-writes, re-translations and various other 'edits' number into the thousands, and have been pretty well conclusively attested to by biblical scholars and experts on ancient languages long ago.

J.


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 10:35 AM by jojoKnowsBest
Originally posted by junglejake

The article seems to put forward that, because two plants found in the desert, when combined in as brew of ayahuasca, cause hallucinations, and (I'm inferring this) because the author doesn't believe in God, it must mean the Israelis took the drug to experience what took place at Sinai.

Hmm...



I heard an interview on C to C about ayahuasca, according to the interviewee it causes you to cross over to the spiritual plane, and this is why the natives in the Amazon use it. The first couple of times you take it you suffer from extreme nausea for about an hour or two then it kicks in and all of a sudden you are teleported to the spirit word and you can walk around and explore it for hours encountering beings.

I'm no biblical scholar but if you look certain experiences in the bible and Koran, don’t they seem like out of body experiences? Exploring the many levels of heaven; the Arch Angel Gabriel coming to Muhammad in the cave and speaking God's will to him? Someone on another post told me our body’s releases a hallucinogen before we die and maybe this is to either help us cross over to the spirit world, or comfort us before we die. Some believe that the ancient Egyptians used gold powder and other mixtures of other metal to reach a higher state of being, a higher level of consciousness.

Just because the Israelites may have been on this stuff does not mean that it didn’t really help them cross over to god’s plane of existence as the Amazonians do with ayahuasca.


For the last twenty-five years, Dennis McKenna has pursued the interdisciplinary study of ethnopharmacology and plant hallucinogens. He is co-author, with his brother Terence, of The Invisible Landscape: Mind, Hallucinogens, and the I Ching (Seabury Press, 1975; Citadel Press, 1991), a philosophical and metaphysical exploration of the ontological implications of psychedelic drugs which resulted from the two brothers' early investigations of Amazonian hallucinogens in 1971. He received his doctorate in 1984 from the University of British Columbia. His doctoral research focused on ethnopharmacological investigations of the botany, chemistry, and pharmacology of ayahuasca and oo-koo-he, two orally-active tryptamine-based hallucinogens used by indigenous peoples in the Northwest Amazon.


Psychoactive Plants

[edit on 4-3-2008 by jojoKnowsBest]



reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 10:50 AM by jimbo999
reply to post by junglejake





In addition to this, there is a ton of historical evidence that would have to be dismissed to make this fit, including prophecy, as I mentioned earlier, that was made hundreds of years before it came to pass.


Again, I honestly don't see how you can verify this statement as, as I mentioned before, dating biblical quotes is notoriously difficult and scholars freely admit that it would have been very easy to credit long-dead personages with prophetic statements with the simple addition of a few new lines.

J.


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 10:51 AM by jojoKnowsBest
reply to post by jimbo999



I also heard that story a while ago. They think the "Red Sea" was mistranslated and it was supposed to be the “Reed Sea”, because as jimbo says it was a marsh, and it was full of reeds, which thrive in marshes.


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 11:21 AM by jdposey
reply to post by jimbo999



From the book: The Exodus Case. I think it would be worth checking the book out. You would be surprised at what evidence they have discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea, aside from Chariot Wheels (Pictured), and other evidence which the book shows.




reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 12:06 PM by Bigwhammy
reply to post by jimbo999



The 26th chapter of Ezekiel records a prophecy against Tyre.


1. That Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, would conquer Tyre (vv. 7-1 1).

2. That the city would be made desolate (v. 4).

3. That it would be thrown into the sea (v. 12).

4. That it would become a place to spread nets upon (v. 14).

5. That its maritime supremacy would cease forever (v. 17).

Guess what? It all was fufilled.

Here's what actually happened as verified by secular historians.

In 590 BC, Ezekiel makes his prediction.

Four years later, in 586 BC Nebuchadnezzar attacks the coastal city of Tyre.

One year later, in 585 BC most of Tyre's inhabitants move out to a nearby island and rebuild.

17 years after the initial prophecy in 573 BC, Nebuchadnezzar finally destroys the coastal city. That's part one of the prophecy.

Two hundred years after Ezekiel goes to his grave, in 333 BC Alexander the Great attacks the island city by scraping debris from the original coastal city and throwing it into the water to build a land bridge to it.

Centuries later, in AD 1321 the island city is destroyed by Muslims during the Crusades.

Today, the original mainland site of Tyre is as "bare as a rock." There is a city named Tyre, but it exists only as a small fishing village down the coast from the ancient city.

Ezekiel couldn't have guessed that those things would happen. The story of Tyre and others is evidence that God directed the writing of the Bible.



[edit on 3/4/2008 by Bigwhammy]


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 12:06 PM by merryxmas
I had a feeling when I saw the title about the author and I was right. Professor Benny Shanon. Graham Hancock mentions him more than once in interviews on C2C when he was relaying his Ayahuasca experience to Art. Click here for Part 6 of the Graham Hancock C2C interview.


Originally posted by groingrinder
I think the author of the article needs to actually take the hallucinogen he is saying is responsible for this bible passage. It sounds like he is writing about something he has no actual experience with.


I'm sorry but you are very uninformed on this, see above.

It takes a mighty hallucinogen to produce contact with God. I have NOT been able to get this experience with Acid, DMT, Peyote, Mescaline, or massive 12 gr. dry doses of magic mushrooms. If this hallucinogenic plant exists and produces a God experience, it would be widely known about in the drug counter culture. IT IS NOT.


It has produced a very mighty and spiritual experience for hundreds if not thousands of people. If your knowledge precludes you from knowing this it isn't indicative of everyone. I am aware of it.
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