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Military investigates puppy-throwing video

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posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 03:01 AM
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Military investigates puppy-throwing video


www.news.com.au

THE US military is investigating a YouTube video that apparently shows a Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff.

Major Chris Perrine from the Marine Corps Base Hawaii said the man appears to be based with a unit in the islands.

Forum members and bloggers have declared war on the soldier, believed to be from the US, and have already posted links to a Bebo account, a residential address in Washington and a phone number.
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 03:01 AM
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Either the army has always been a haven for very sick individuals and the internet is offering a better opportunity to expose it, or this type of thing is happening more often.

www.news.com.au
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 03:06 AM
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I believe that by the very nature of the MILITARY.......no matter what country it is in will draw in the sick people who want to hurt and kill living things, for they think within a Military context they CAN kill and destroy freely, as it is 'their job'

Very much like people who want to have power over others like to join a police force......the military will draw in these type of people with big dreams of spilling blood.

I am so ashamed of this young man.
I feel terrible for his poor mother she must be just horrified at how her son has turned out.
What in the world could that little doggy have done to him to deserve this???? what if this fall did not kill the little doggy and it had to lay in the dirt in pain, bleeding and broken???

I think this Motari fella deserves a few YEARS in prison for this, and the others with him should be tried as accomplices for this horrible act of torture on a poor innocent creature.

It tells allot about a race of beings to see how they treat the creatures unable to defend themselves. People like this make me think we should just nuke this whole dam planet to rid the universe of such terrible beings called mankind.
This makes me ashamed of being human.



[edit on 4-3-2008 by theRiverGoddess]



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 04:41 AM
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reply to post by the titor experience
 


is this shocking yes
is it supprising no, people will just about do anything these days, if people can treat other humans like trash is this is any more supprising?



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 04:59 AM
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This is pathetic but it's normal as an outcome.
Source
www.sfgate.com.../chronicle/archive/2006/10/01/ING42LCIGK1.DTL


With Green in jail awaiting trial, the Houston Chronicle reported in August that Army recruiters were trolling around the outskirts of a Dallas-area job fair for ex-convicts.

"We're looking for high school graduates with no more than one felony on their record," one recruiter said.

The Army has even looked behind prison bars for fill-in recruits -- in one reported case, they went to a "youth prison" in Ogden, Utah. Although Steven Price had asked to see a recruiter while still incarcerated, he was "barely 17 when he enlisted last January" and his divorced parents say "recruiters used false promises and forged documents to enlist him."

While confusion exists about whether the boy's mother actually signed a parental consent form allowing her son to enlist, his "father apparently wasn't even at the signing, but his name is on the form too."

Law enforcement officials report that the military is now "allowing more applicants with gang tattoos," the Chicago Sun-Times reports, "because they are under the gun to keep enlistment up." They also note that "gang activity maybe rising among soldiers." The paper was provided with "photos of military buildings and equipment in Iraq that were vandalized with graffiti of gangs based in Chicago, Los Angeles and other cities."

Last month, the Sun-Times reported that a gang member facing federal charges of murder and robbery enlisted in the Marine Corps "while he was free on bond -- and was preparing to ship out to boot camp when Marine officials recently discovered he was under indictment." While this recruit was eventually booted from the Corps, a Milwaukee police detective and Army veteran, who serves on the federal drug and gang task force that arrested the would-be Marine, noted that other "gang-bangers are going over to Iraq and sending weapons back ... gang members are getting access to military training and weapons."


No one posted the video, it's in the closed thread.


I wonder what the die hard fans are going to say now, it was his hand, his had did it, talk to the hand?

Pathetic, this is not a war for freedom, it's a war for Bush and his pcokets, for the elite maniacs obsesed with control and domination.







[edit on 4-3-2008 by pepsi78]



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 05:27 AM
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Too bad. The military won't have a CHANCE to do anything. Every bit of his personal information, including his family's address, and his girlfriends address is already all over the net, and people are telling the lynch mob to make his life a living hell.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 07:38 AM
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I know people are blaming the military for this, but the blame is misplaced. (Assuming the video is real) then there are big mental health issues here. Animal abuse/killing is one step away from humans. One the thrill is gone, they will take that step.

Military personal should be tried in court twice, but I am not sure about being overseas in a case like this. Military court is usually stricter too. I hope it sets an example.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 07:44 AM
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What a pathetic little man...

I hope his karma comes back and bites him hard in the arse....



What a joke... what a pathetic, soulless, w*nk*r!!!!

(excuse my rage, but humans killing humans is one thing, but defenceless animals is another)


[edit on 4-3-2008 by mr-lizard]



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 07:50 AM
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Well I for one can't say I'd be mad if someone, anyone, shows up on his doorstep and has their way with him.

What a vile person he is. smh this man is a prime example of what I despise most in this world. I hope his demise is as, if not more, tragic and gruesome than this innocent creature's was.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 07:51 AM
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What does the military have to with this? A few weeks ago two kids here (one female) were in this guys backyard cutting the owners dog with a razor and peeling skin back. Just like when some jerk off walks into Wendys and shoots people it has nothing to do with the gun. It's all about the jerk off. What this asshole did has nothing to do with Bush or the war. It has everything to do this guy being an asshole.

If I was standing there next to this guy I would have raised my rifle and shot him.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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I agree this has little to do with him being in the military. I cannot in good faith say it has nothing to do with it, because hey who knows what is going through this particular sordid, twisted head - and what might have encouraged it to get there?

I will say however that I would feel better about the troops if they stopped recruiting some of them from what seems to be the landfills of the USA


See point made and article posted by pepsi and the like before getting offended at that. It is no secret that they will recruit just about anybody who will agree to join... and still fail to see where that can go wrong.


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posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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I used to think that this was an open minded site, but reading this topic has me thinking it is not.

All of the evidence has not been collected, but folks are already jumping to conclusions that are way off. Why don't we let the investigation proceed before we start lining up folks for the firing squad.

Not only that, but I can't believe that folks are using the fact that he served in the military to make wild accusations about everyone in the military. Shame on you all.

No one ever said that the military only gets the cream of society. There are invariable going to be some bad eggs, which is true in all organizations. However, that never means that you label the entire organization based on the actions of a few.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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The video is a setup. The dog doesnt even move or flinch or do anything in the guys hand or try to flail while in the air. The dog isnt a real dog.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 09:30 AM
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Whew! Well, that makes it all better now. [/sarcasm]

Ever held a puppy by the scruff of the neck ? Seen a momma dog carry it's baby like that ? Most puppies or kittens bodies will go slack when held by the scruff of their neck.
That in itself doesn't prove jack to me. And even if it was fake well that opens up a whole other can of worms doesn't it ? Mostly pertaining to his military career as most people have been so quick to highlight in all this.
I couldn't care less who he is, this is wrong on all sorts of levels. And the imbecile taped it!

I am reallylooking forward to the outcome of this investigation.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 09:46 AM
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Am I right in saying that the US military uses some very shady ways of recruiting.... such as visiting poor schools in poor nieghbourhoods and telling them their only hope of a good wage is to join the military?

Telling them college won't get them anywhere and that the military is the best chance they're gonna get...

No wonder it's filled with people who don't have a clue.

That's not a dig at the military, just at the recruitment officers.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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It's fake people. Can you not see that?
Everything about it was fake.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by the titor experience


Either the army has always been a haven for very sick individuals and the internet is offering a better opportunity to expose it, or this type of thing is happening more often.

www.news.com.au
(visit the link for the full news article)


The Armed Forces are a reflection of society.

That being said, American society is sick and demented. From obssessions with gore porn films like Saw and Hostel, mindless reality television like Jackass, and various drug fueled insanities being perpetuated by the youth.

I have seen behavior like this first hand while deployed from certain individuals. People in the military who display this kind of behavior must be rigidly controlled or simply kicked out.

Often these individuals who display this behavior are found to be on drugs, such as steroids, enjoy torture porn films like Saw and Hostel, and show abuse towards other soldiers and their dependents.

It is a problem the Armed Forces faces as it lowers its standards for recruiting and as undisciplined personnel manage to get promoted, who then encourage the behavior from lower enlisted personnel.

It personally disgusts me, as an American and a Serviceman, that members of our society, not just the ones in the military, have become so depraved in the last few decades.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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You know, I only watched it once but part of me thought it was fake. I don't know if I'm open to the possibility (hope) that it is fake just because it is such a horrible thing to see or because it all happened really fast and it looked like that soldier threw that dog really far with little to no effort.

That dog was easily 8-10 pounds. I don't know about anyone else but for me to chuck even half that weight that far I would need to ready the throw. This soldier just launched it no problem. Quite a distance too.

I hope it turns out to be fake.



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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i actually think this is in voliation of the UCMJ im gonna look it up, will be back to fix my one liner.....


4-7. The Misconduct Stress Behaviors of Torturing Prisoners, Using Excessive Force or Brutality, and Killing Animals

a. In some cultures or religions (such as many of the seventeenth/eighteenth century North American Indian tribes), torture has been accepted by all parties as the proper thing to do. The captive warrior who died bravely under torture was highly respected. Under the Law of Land Warfare, torture is a war crime and is forbidden but is still sometimes practiced. It may be erroneously justified as necessary to gain information to assure victory and save friendly lives or to intimidate the opposition, especially in counterinsurgency scenarios.

NOTE

If torture to gain information or to intimidate is allowed, even tacitly, it can become an all-too-easy outlet for combat stress-related tension and frustration, with steadily worsening consequences.

b. The more insidious and common form of this misconduct stress behavior is to react with excessive force or brutality to episodes of provocation. The boundary between excessive and prudent is a gray area. It is related to the magnitude of the enemy provocation and the likelihood of its continuing if not answered. Examples of overreaction include reacting to a single sniper or mortar fire from a civilian housing area with massive artillery and air attack, or going in to beat all the villagers and destroy all the houses.

c. It is difficult and frustrating for soldiers to adhere to strict rules of engagement, such as never firing into civilian areas until fired on and only returning fire with precision when the specific enemy has been located. It is especially difficult if the enemy is deliberately using such areas as sanctuaries and the civilians are tacitly or even explicitly siding with the enemy. Such self-control is, however, often essential to accomplish the national objectives in military operations other than war. To maintain fire discipline, leaders must instill and continually reinforce a sense of strong unit identity and cohesion that actively encourages and rewards correct behavior.

d. Stress-induced behaviors that impair fire discipline can also cause friendly fire casualties. In some cases, overeagerness to attack the enemy (perhaps resulting from the positive combat stress behaviors of desire for glory, medals, or promotion) may lead to tragic error. Too much arousal or anxiety may cause soldiers who are "on a hair trigger" to misidentify vehicles, to make errors in reading maps or grid coordinates, or to shoot first and ask questions later. There is a well-documented tendency for hypervigilant persons to misinterpret and even to misperceive stimuli in ways which seem to confirm their preconceived fears.

(1) Consider the pressure on the tank crew which is constantly remembering that in an engagement between two equal opponents the tank that fires second has only one chance out of five of surviving. Add to that many hours of continuous operations and rapid movement with little sleep. Now add that beyond the unit's right boundary is an unknown friendly unit. This unit may be from a different division, corps, service, or allied nation. The tank unit's leader and higher headquarters must recognize that these tank crews are at high risk of violating the TSOP and firing across the boundary into the neighboring area.

(2) In such situations, the unit leaders (even tired, anxious leaders) must perform a recurring process of risk analysis and risk management. Friendly fire casualties cannot rationally be completely prevented in modern, fast-moving battles. Commanders and leaders must implement policies and prudent precautions which will minimize friendly fire casualties while also minimizing the risk of the enemy killing our soldiers.

(3) The targeting policy which maximizes the odds of hitting the enemy first may be entirely justified at the beginning of the battle. Then, the enemy's strength is uncertain and his crews and tanks must be assumed approximately equal in quality to our own. Later in the battle, a more cautious policy may be justified. It may be clearer that most (if not all) of the enemy are undertrained, out-gunned, and badly overstressed. Our own crews, though still aggressive, are becoming fatigued as a result of the battle or because of sleep loss. Their alertness, coordination, and senses may be dull.

(4) The leaders must recognize these stress factors. They must implement precautions to ensure that there are no friendly fire casualties. They must consider modifying or changing the targeting policy if stress factors are high. They must then assure that the change, its reasons, and any related coordinating instructions are passed down the chain of command to every crew. Recent experience is that leaders will be held publicly accountable if they fail to do this and friendly deaths result. This is true even though the leaders' misconduct may be a reaction only to their own combat stress.

e. Other examples of excessive force or brutality involve the killing of animals.

(1) Soldiers may deliberately shoot domestic animal(s) of local farmers as acts of hatred or revenge. Soldiers may later claim that the animal(s)' death was an accident. Leaders should investigate and ensure appropriate actions are implemented to prevent future incidents of this nature. All soldiers must understand that the senseless killing of animals is a punishable crime under the UCMJ.

(2) Warning signs of excessive stress may be indicated when individual soldiers begin to mistreat, torture, and kill animals. These types of behaviors are warning signs to commanders and leaders that self-control among some of their soldiers is wearing thin. Unit cohesion may also suffer, since other members of the unit may feel revulsion and anger at such behaviors. Leadership must recognize such signs of stress and take actions to provide less destructive ways of relieving the tension and frustration.


www.globalsecurity.org...

[edit on 4-3-2008 by Trance Optic]

[edit on 4-3-2008 by Trance Optic]



posted on Mar, 4 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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It is against UCMJ and he should have rank reduced to E-1, with loss of pay, jail time and then separation from service with a dishonorable discharge at a minimum.




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