Originally posted by dave420
Considering this forum is for studying the paranormal, just blindly saying "it's real, and if you don't agree you're omething bad>" is not studying anything, except maybe the gullibility of people to believe something they want to, instead of using their rational minds to come to a sensible conclusion, possibly discarding a comforting notion or concept on the way.

So far, there's absolutely no evidence for Chi, which judging by the claims of it being such an elemental force/energy, there should be reams of it.

Thing is, me writing stuff here wouldn't help, as you appear to have made up your mind anyway.

Look - honestly - I can't explain this stuff to you. Its something that needs to be experienced rather than explained. If you doubt it, try attending some Tai Chi classes and see what you can pick up.

Originally posted by dave420
I shouldn't have to take a class in something to know it exists, that's what science is for.

You do realise that with that attitude, no one would know anything, don't you?

As for the Randi quip - I don't want to prove anything to anyone. I have no need to.

to everyone else, sorry I havent been around!
I thought the thread was dead!
but thanks for posting nonetheless!

JBmitch,
I am practicing the 42 forms, but at a very slow rate.
I'm only at form 7.
I've been running recently too and my legs are much stronger.
the first session I did my legs were shaking so hard! lol
much better now.
Hopefully I'll get some time soon to practice more, but I'm about to pick up a night shift to earn some money so I can volunteer this summer in either Thailand or the Galapagos! so, finding time might be hard!
either way, its great stuff, very relaxing.


[edit on 3-4-2008 by Odessy]

I am no guru. These are just the humble musings of a spiritually inclined college student. I practice a millenia old martial art known as Hun Gar Kung Fu to us Westerners. This branch, which stems from the direct point of origin, has only one master left alive in the world today; from the Chinese hero Wong Fei Hung who fought in the Boxer Rebellion, to his disciple Choy Fong Loong, and to my master or sifu.
Nothing I claim is out of arrogance, a will to spread falsehoods, or to make myself look better on the internet, but rather careful research and personal experience. While we do not practice "Chi balls", we do manipulate chi energy in a myriad of ways. One of the more "unsophisticated" ways is Iron Palm training which is what allows a human being to do things such as dent steel with a fist and shatter rocks. It is IMPOSSIBLE to do Iron Palm training without feeling a serious amount of chi in your hands. It is always a child-like joy for me to see someone of a rational Western mind come to class and do Iron Palm. They always begin staring at their arms and hands by the third lesson in open-mouthed awe. It is joyful to see a human-being re-united with something we should have never lost contact with in the first place. I am not here to "convert" people, but since I am already on the subject if there are any "doubters" here that have tried to guide chi and couldn't alone, go to a kung fu studio and begin Iron Palm training.
Anyway, chi, as my sifu says, is all around us. It is a part of everything in existence. It is energy in its most basic form. Now, what does science say is also all around us? Zero-point energy of course. I see a corellation; furthermore, psi is chi as well along with Indian prana and Japanese ki. They are all the same energy just with different names. I would post more, but I am rather tired and am retiring for the evening. Besides, its more fulfilling to do your own research. If anyone wants "proof" from a linguistic vantage point, then look up how many cultures have a term in their native tongue for life-energy or zero point energy besides the four listed above. If I remember correctly from the paper I wrote last year on this topic, it is somewhere around 148 total cultures in the world with a word for chi. Now, ask yourself: Why doesn't any of the Romance or Germanic languages (save the Celtic ones) have a word for this energy which our ancestors utilized? It ties into Zeitgeist quite nicely and Esoteric Agenda quite nicely.
Should anyone feel offense to my statements, I apologize in advance. I am here to discuss, learn, and teach if I can, not to offend or argue. Best of luck to the ones who watched to much Dragonball as a child (you know who you are) (and it was just a joke) chi balls can be fun, but remember that in a sense you are literally playing with fire; fire that cultures such as the Chinese have studied for over four thousand years. You CAN hurt yourself.

Here is the dirty truth. There is no Qi engery ball that you can manifest visually. Clearing your mind helps you with any task in life…but don’t fool yourself into believing you can become a street fighter and throw out energy balls at foes

If I were to ask any of the form readers here, I doubt anyone could truthfully say that they saw a friend manifest a Qi/Chi/Ki ball at will.

I tried this same practice with a candle I got for Christmas and was also able to put it out in the same matter as the videos subject did. This is no proof of a chi ball.

"I guess to sum it up, bro.....YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU DONT KNOW "
I am sorry but it is you who "Don't know what you don't know".

There is an on going contest (I can’t recall the name of it…but when I find it I will post a link) that has been going on for over 10 years? The prize x million dollars (once I find the link I will fill the X in with the right amount…but I know it is over a million)

The purpose of this contest? To prove if super natural powers of any kind exists. All they have to do is prove that their power is real.
For example…on one test a person claimed he could find water in the ground with a rod of sorts. So they picked an area and dug pipes underground and had water flow through different sections of the pipes. Each time the water changed locations they asked him to tell where the water was. He was wrong every time.

This contest test “physics” , “healers”, and other people who claim to have super natural powers…yet no one was able to pass such simple test…well simple for those that would have such powers.

It’s funny that every board I come across like this will have many users who claim that at some point you can create a visual psi ball…but they are not at that level yet. It is however certain that none of you really witnessed a visual psi ball as they are not real

After all…if I could make one…I would be sure to s
how the people holding the mentioned contest and collect my money.

edit: I saw a poster above talk about the same contest, James Randi is the one who host the contest, thank you


[edit on 30-12-2008 by Exadon]

Study Rieki - learn about energy ect. (not that 'fire balls' and such are real)... but energy can be manipulated and used.