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reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 02:28 PM by Odessy
reply to post by depth om



perhaps.
Did you see the other video's i posted as well?
the one where he puts out 2 candles with only a finger?

in that video, he attempts to put it out 3 times.
the candle almost goes out all three times, and he succeeds on the last one.

If he did have something rigged, its odd that it didnt work the first time.

MY honest opinion is that this is genuine, and only because I have followed many of his techniques and they have worked...

you should give them a try.

I'm going to send Wan a message on youtube to see if he would like to participate in this discussion.


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 03:00 PM by h3akalee
reply to post by Odessy



Maybe you could document some of your attempt's so we can better understand what you are doing and also what we are actually looking at in the candle clips.

Take care.

Regards
Lee

[edit on 4-3-2008 by h3akalee]



reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 04:07 PM by Odessy
reply to post by h3akalee



I can not yet put out the candle.
I'm only a beginner at creating chi energy balls.
As of now, I can only get to the point that I feel a repulsing magnetic force between my hands.

there are many different stages to concur before you can put out a candle using chi.
PLEASE understand that it takes training. Its not something I'll be able to do tomorrow, or next week.
again, please refer to my earlier video that I posted beforehand where Wan explains that it is a long process.

Wan has posted 3 different videos of him putting the candle out.
Beginner Level
Master Level
One Finger

[edit on 4-3-2008 by Odessy]


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 04:51 PM by Odessy
reply to post by merryxmas



I think what thebandit is trying to say is,

if you go into something like this, as with any meditation, thinking its not possible etc, then chances are you wont succeed.
You have to understand that the human body is capable of a lot of things, and the more distractions you have, then the more likely you will fail because the more you are blocking yourself from accomplishing a task.
doubt is a barrier.

Just know that it is possible for people to do it.
You dont necessarily have to believe that YOU can do it, just believe that SOME people can do it.
If you know that its possible, then the mind will let you in on the fun as well...
just takes a little practice.

Honestly, the 2nd video I posted is a great practice routine, so keep trying that, and I'm sure you'll get it in no time!

BUT, if thats not what thebandit meant by that, then feel free to correct me


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 06:00 PM by Odessy
reply to post by jpm1602



well, if you're trying to see chi in action, please, check out the following video:



sure, it COULD be one huge elaborate hoax,
But I think there is something more to it than that...

Edited to add:
This video is a little more convincing IMHO



[edit on 4-3-2008 by Odessy]


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 06:47 PM by runetang
ROFL!

I've watched a few of that kids videos, his Tai Chi Chuan is crap!

Seriously, he doesn't even have the basic fundamentals of Tai Chi down and claims to be a Tai Chi master. He's like .. "you should never flex a single muscle when attacking or moving, its all from the twist of the waist, the fa jing."

While he is correct in that the majority of the force behind a strike comes from the fa jing, or the twisting of the waist to throw the entire body's weight behind any strike, whether the target is 6 inches away or 5 feet away, as long as you can make physical contact with your strike, he is most seriously wrong in that you actually MUST flex your muscles upon impact, or immediately before impact, you can't just flail your loose arm and expect any true result. I'm a Tai Chi newbie and I know this fundamental principle.

You try completely relaxing every muscle in your arm, then "flinging it" from the waist side with only using the power generating from twisting the hip/waist and jerking the shoulder, and see how much power you make. It wont make crap, you'll look like you hit like a 6yr old girl. While the waist and shoulder movement are integral to the strike, you must flex the muscles on impact!, if you didn't your fist would crumble upon impact and you'd jam your wrist extremely badly.

*sigh*

I wouldn't believe this dude further than I could throw him. You want some REAL Eastern Philosophy in action? Look up "Mike Pekor" in the search bar, i forgot his username on youtube. He's a Tai Chi instructor and a hypnotist/therapist at Long Island Hypnotherapy.
*EDIT* found him! heres two vids.. should clear things up.


www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com...

[edit on 3/4/2008 by runetang]


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 07:27 PM by Odessy
reply to post by runetang



Thanks for the input.
I'll check out those videos you posted.

However, I find with the majority of this stuff that you have to pick and choose what to believe.

Just because Wan might be wrong about some Tai Chi principals, thats not to say he doesn't know what hes talking about with respect to other subjects.

I filter through what I want to watch in regards to his videos.
I find the Chi energy ball meditations very informative, and correct.

So, lets not try to get too caught up in other fundamentals he may have wrong, but try to focus on the Chi meditation techniques he gives.
They seem to have worked for me, so to call him a fraud is a little harsh imo.

Hopefully he will join the discussion soon and perhaps even shed some light on the info you provided

sincerely,

Odessy


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 08:39 PM by Odessy
reply to post by Alesanjin



Glad you liked it and even more glad that it worked for you too!

The magnet thing is the best I can describe it, but I'm also very new to this. I too hope to practice much more and hopefully be able manifest it enough to be able to channel it to other people.
I think thats the coolest effect of Chi Energy.



reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 08:40 PM by Odessy
reply to post by runetang



I understand.

I hope to also practice Tai Chi one day.
It seems like a great martial art meditation!


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 08:58 PM by merryxmas
reply to post by runetang




Well from watching the first video you linked this Mike Pekor is espousing the hard concepts of chi that you yourself said you are a newbie to. You'll find many different styles and some teachers use all explosive force and others embrace soft and relaxed methods that Mike Pekor says is crap. I'll tell you this; I have seen, firsthand, a leviathan of a man get dropped to the floor without so much as a flick of a wrist from a wing chun master who practices soft chi.


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 09:42 PM by Hyzera
What is the difference between Chi and Psi? (If any at all)

When I make psiballs, I feel the magnetic pulse (Just like what you described when making chi balls). From what I saw in the videos, Chi can be used to move objects. In psionics, moving objects with your mind is called called psychokinesis. Now this had me thinking.

Maybe psi and chi are the same?
Maybe they are the same energy, just named differently, and used differently.

I don't know about Chi, but from what I know about psionics, you can use energy manipulation to set up shields. Is making shields with Chi possible? Or better yet, programming the shield to block out certain things.

Now if Chi and Psi are the same then you can use Chi to/for:
1. Make constructs
2. Program the constructs
3. Telepathy
4. Empathy
5. Scanning
6. Remote Viewing
7. Remote Presence
8. Micro Telekinesis (Affecting random outcomes) <-- That works, trust me

If Chi = Psi, then Psi can also be used to/for:
1. Physical combat
2. Disrupting other's energy systems
3. Harden and strengthen parts of your body like the Shaolin Monks.

But, the methods in which you practice Qi(chi)kong and Psionics are different.

For example: To practice psychokinesis to move objects, you practice by

Step 1: Prepare yourself
Energy flows where attention goes. Just remember it for now. You don't have enough power if there are other things in your mind.

Step 2: Become one
As the next step you basically have to realize the first principle and apply it. Remember: there is no separation between you and the psiwheel. It lies inside of your capacity field like your fingers or any other part of your body. What you do is to take few deep breaths and focus on the object.

Step 3: Move it
Now you have established a good energy link. You can feel the object. You are one with it . At this point, as mentioned earlier, you might notice a strong feeling of power over the psiwheel. It's like if you look at your hand and are sure that the next moment you are going to move it. This might cause even random reactions of your body: you try to move the psiwheel and suddenly your hand moves forward. When these random movements happen, you just have to relax and try to "sense" the object better. They happen only because you are too excited and you have to calm down.


To move objects with Chi, you need to:
Pulse Chi out of your palm to push or pull the object.

So, are psychic powers and Qi Kong the same? And what is Psi/Chi exactly?

Scientific experiments have proven conclusively that Psi is a particle that is generated by the firing of synapse and impulse. While it can be taken from other organisms that fire it, and trace amounts can be found in the air, the majority of the Psi that is used comes from inside the body.


In psionics, there are "birth switches", which is basically what psychic abilites you are born with and how much Psi your body can produce.
Some examples of birthswitches are:

Born-on:
Persons with this birth-switch usually have at least 4 talents, one from each Aspect, usually spectral. These are generally level 2, except for the primary, which is level 2 to 3. Born-ons have some problems with development.

Non:
Persons with this birth switch have no genetically linked talents for
using psionic abilities, and variable ability to develop them.
Developed nons may have any number of abilities in any aspect or area.

Psi-Vamp:
Persons with this speciality usually have at least 4 talents, one
from each Aspect, usually spectral. These are generally level 2,
except for the primary, which is level 4. Like Generators, all Psi-Vamps have a Psi-Energy Aspect primary. Psi-vamps have some
problems with development. In addition to this, Psi-vamps are unable
to use the energy generation psi ability, and must therefore acquire psi energy from other sources, which they have an innate ability to do.


Are there people born with Qi Kong abilities? Or are people born with them labeled as psychics? But if Psi and Chi are the same, it doesn't really matter.



Factors involved in the pre-natal development of psi talents.

A) Genetics.
Birth-switch determines the minimums for how many talents, and propensities for which areas they fall into, as well as some other set abilities and traits associated with the birth-switch.

B) Exposure to psionic energy.
High energy exposure seems to be able to induce ability development or increase the strength of ability in a fetus. Nons born into families where members use psi energy are more likely to have active psi abilities, and other birth switches have more active abilities when born to parents who use psi actively.

In most born-psis, abilities will awaken naturally around age 5, or around puberty, unless the individual is exposed to psi activity.


So, if that's the case for psionics, then it should apply to Qi Kong if Chi = Psi. So, if your parents weren't born with any abilities, but they practiced Qi Kong while you were a fetus. Would you be born with psychic abilities or Qi Kong abilities? Since Qi kong is just another way to use the Psi "Particle" (Or Psionics is just another way to use the Chi "Particle" Whichever you prefer calling it.)

So, would the newborn be born with psychic abilities such as telepathy or Qi Kong abilities?

Well, this is basically my brain rambling on. I had more questions and "What ifs", but I forgot them while typing.

My sources:
Psi Genetics Theory by Winged Wolf

Common Misconceptions in Psionics by Elliptic

NI's Telekinesis Training Manual

Psionics Online

And the various youtube videos found in this thread.

[edit on 3/4/2008 by Hyzera]


reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 09:48 PM by Odessy
reply to post by Hyzera



This is a great question and I need to read through your post once more a little more thoroughly to get to everything.
I probably won't be able to answer everything, but I can surly pass on the questions to Master Wan.

Wan says that Chi uses the easiest route to move an object.
So, if you want to move a rock, your hand will simply grab the rock and move it.
If you want to move the rock only with your mind using Chi, then this is the long way "up the mountain" thus it takes more time.

As far as shields being formed using chi, this is something I am unaware of.
Hopefully, if Master Wan chooses to contribute to this discussion, he will be able to answer all of these questions.
But from what you describe, I am leaning towards them being the same thing.



reply posted on 4-3-2008 @ 09:58 PM by Odessy
Originally posted by Hyzera
Now if Chi and Psi are the same then you can use Chi to/for:
1. Make constructs
2. Program the constructs
3. Telepathy
4. Empathy
5. Scanning
6. Remote Viewing
7. Remote Presence
8. Micro Telekinesis (Affecting random outcomes) <-- That works, trust me


I know master Wan has many videos on things like Remote presence and the Astral Plane. I have not gotten into them as much with his videos, but I have done a lot of research on AP and RV on my own. I think I high level of chi clears the mind, so yes, that probably helps.

As far as psychic abilities, Master wan says women are better at this sort of thing, but that being psychic is simply having a higher state of intuition (if I remember correctly)


If Chi = Psi, then Psi can also be used to/for:
1. Physical combat
2. Disrupting other's energy systems
3. Harden and strengthen parts of your body like the Shaolin Monks.


Yes chi can be used to strengthen parts of the body and the abilities you mention above.


But, the methods in which you practice Qi(chi)kong and Psionics are different.

For example: To practice psychokinesis to move objects, you practice by

Step 1: Prepare yourself
Energy flows where attention goes. Just remember it for now. You don't have enough power if there are other things in your mind.

Step 2: Become one
As the next step you basically have to realize the first principle and apply it. Remember: there is no separation between you and the psiwheel. It lies inside of your capacity field like your fingers or any other part of your body. What you do is to take few deep breaths and focus on the object.

Step 3: Move it
Now you have established a good energy link. You can feel the object. You are one with it . At this point, as mentioned earlier, you might notice a strong feeling of power over the psiwheel. It's like if you look at your hand and are sure that the next moment you are going to move it. This might cause even random reactions of your body: you try to move the psiwheel and suddenly your hand moves forward. When these random movements happen, you just have to relax and try to "sense" the object better. They happen only because you are too excited and you have to calm down.


To move objects with Chi, you need to:
Pulse Chi out of your palm to push or pull the object.

So, are psychic powers and Qi Kong the same? And what is Psi/Chi exactly?

Scientific experiments have proven conclusively that Psi is a particle that is generated by the firing of synapse and impulse. While it can be taken from other organisms that fire it, and trace amounts can be found in the air, the majority of the Psi that is used comes from inside the body.



I know that chi comes from inside the body as well. You don't need to draw it from outside sources.


In psionics, there are "birth switches", which is basically what psychic abilites you are born with and how much Psi your body can produce.


I'm pretty sure that EVERYONE has chi that they can learn to manifest.
Every baby is born with water chi, and adults have air chi (or vise versa) lol.

All the questions I left unanswered I just don't know yet.
As soon as I get in touch with Master Wan, I will request that he contributes to this discussion.
I'm sure he will, but in case he doesn't, perhaps he will relay the answers to me/
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