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Originally posted by Prophet-Ezekiel
There is no link too 2nd hand smoking causing ciggarette cancer, and if there is I want a FULL background check of that family tree, prior health problems, etc. Peace.
Originally posted by doctormcauley
I'm Ontario, we can't smoke at work, or anywhere. So I do.I say take your life in our own hands and light up a smoke... wherever you want to. No one can stop you. You are a Citizen of The Republic.
Originally posted by mattguy404
If you're a smoker and feel discriminated against, so you should. There's no sugarcoating that...
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
And I really hope you get popped for your rather blithe selfishness...
Originally posted by adigregorio
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
And I really hope you get popped for your rather blithe selfishness...
Selfishness is a crude concept. Aren't you being selfish by wanting your needs put in front of ours? Well then that makes me selfish again, cause I want my needs in front of yours. But then your selfish because your needs are again at the top of the list...
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
...some people insist upon boorish behaviour, and that's why there are now laws.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
It's all very simple...just try and make your mother proud.
Originally posted by adigregorio
I have the right to smoke, and the "others" have the right to not be near me when I do.
When the tobacco executives testified to Congress that they did not believe that smoking caused cancer, their answers were probably truthful and I agree with that statement. Now, if they were asked if smoking increases the risk of getting lung cancer, then their answer based upon current evidence should have be "yes." But even so, the risk of a smoker getting lung cancer is much less than anyone would suspect. Based upon what the media and anti-tobacco organizations say, one would think that if you smoke, you get lung cancer (a 100% correlation) or at least expect a 50+% occurrence before someone uses the word "cause."
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Would you believe that the real number is < 10% (see Appendix A)? Yes, a US white male (USWM) cigarette smoker has an 8% lifetime chance of dying from lung cancer but the USWM nonsmoker also has a 1% chance of dying from lung cancer...
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You don't see this type of information being reported, and we hear things like, "if you smoke you will die", but when we actually look at the data, lung cancer accounts for only 2% of the annual deaths worldwide and only 3% in the US.**
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When we look at the data over a longer period, such as 50 years as we did here, the lifetime relative risk is only 8 (see Appendix A). That means that even using the biased data that is out there, a USWM smoker has only an 8x more risk of dying from lung cancer than a nonsmoker. It surprised me too because I had always heard numbers like 20-40 times more risk. Statistics that are understandable and make sense to the general public, what a concept!
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6. Certain types of pollution are more dangerous than second hand smoke.3
7. Second hand smoke has never been shown to be a causative factor in lung cancer.
8. A WHO study did not show that passive (second hand) smoke statistically increased the risk of getting lung cancer.
9. No study has shown that second hand smoke exposure during childhood increases their risk of getting lung cancer.
10. In one study they couldn't even cause lung cancer in mice after exposing them to cigarette smoke for a long time.23
Originally posted by adigregorio
I do not subscribe to "right" and "wrong", or "good" and "bad". Things just are. Smoking is smoking, murder is murder, human is human. Nothing more nothing less.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Smoking is dumb...
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
if you're not inflicting yourself on others, then I can respect you...
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
even if you do smell.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
But don't tell me that good and bad does not apply here.
Originally posted by adigregorio
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Smoking is dumb...
Ahh so smoking has a brain? And it is using it in a way to deem it dumb?
Originally posted by Nohup
So, yeah, I guess if you want to call a bunch of people who don't want to be subjected to somebody's reeking tobacco smoke or green spit and passing laws to help avoid that a "conspiracy," then I guess there is a conspiracy. Or you could just call it "democracy."
Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7
I can sort of understand banning smoking in restaraunts, who wants to smell smoke while they are eating, even I, as a smoker don't want to? That being said why bars? ...
Originally posted by adigregorio
What about all of the VEHICLES that emit SMOKE! I don't see a big movement banning that! What about Volcanoes? Fireplaces? Planes? Power Plants? Of course, that smoke doesn't "reek" so it's okay.