'USS Cole a war declaration on region'

reply to post by budski

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I will refrain from posting any more definitions, though a few more just came to mind.

reply to post by BlueRaja

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We created the Islamic extremists. The mujahideen are our creation from back in the '80s. However, we since then, have implemented policies that put us on our creation'ss bad side.

But as I recall, I asked you that question. You can't turn around and just say, "Well what do you think of it?" You're defending it, not me.

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reply to post by COOL HAND

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Are you going to actually make an argument or just continuously use ad hominem attacks?

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If they really wanted to send a message, they would have pulled the ship inside their territorial waters and be broadcasting threats to them left and right.

Have they done that yet? No, all they did was put a ship in international waters to monitor the situation.

We put ships off the coast (in international waters) of Canada all of the time, are we trying to send them a message to?

reply to post by COOL HAND

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Then how do you explain them saying,"We were just sending a message"?

Do you know more about the "sending of messages" than our military?

I have been making the arguement that budski is incorrect and the US ship is not threatening Lebanon as he (or she) would make us think.

They wouldn't put the ship in lebanese waters as that would be a violation of maritime law and could be considered an act of war. Why would they do that when they can do what they have done and get the message across loud and clear without the diplomatic mess that would ensue?

The Canada point is moot as it does not take into account the context of the situation.

reply to post by Chris McGee

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I fail to see pain, harm, or habitual cruelty in either of those examples.
When have we been cruel to the Lebanese government? As for Israel- we have a history of supporting our allies(i.e. Britain, Korea, Taiwan, etc..) so what's so unusual there. They're the only western style democracy in that region, so why wouldn't we support them?

reply to post by BlueRaja

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It is unfair to compare Israel to Britain and you know it.

Sending a message is much different than using bullying tactics. Sending a message could be a simple as cruising by and letting them know we are there.



No, but I am in the military and I have been a part of "sending messages" in numerous countries around the world. At no point did we have to resort to bullying tactics or make threats.

reply to post by Sublime620

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Who's land was it first? Who picked the wrong side to support in WWII? Who opted not to accept numerous compromise plans that would've given both countries land? Who continuously rejected Israeli offers, because they would only accept all or nothing, with no compromises acceptable to both sides? Who routinely targets civilians? My sympathy for the palestinians is pretty limited. They won't accept a moderate leadership that could reach an agreement with Israel, and wonder why a leadership bent on the destruction of Israel would be unacceptable to their neighbors. The raw deal they've been dealt is in great part their own doing, because they won't try to work out differences diplomatically. It's a case of we want it all, and we want it now.

If we really wanted to bully them, why would we care about maritime law?

The only way they could send the message loud and clear would be to park the ship off the coast where folks could see it from the beach with their own eyes.



In both cases we are saying the same thing. That the US Navy can steam wherever it wants in international waters.

reply to post by COOL HAND

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Sorry but you're not,
you are indulging in the automatic gainsaying of anyone that happens to think that shrub is not the saviour of the western world.

His actions have caused nothing but grief and previous policies have caused the rise of mideast terrorism.

I stand by my assertion that shrub is a bully, and that unless american policy changes, then payback will come.

The economy is a mess, yet military spending is at an all time high, whilst people starve in the streets and unemployment begins to bite.

If you want to know what's going to happen, take a look at imperial countries in europe and how they collapsed.

The UK treated ireland as shrub treats the mideast - and that very nearly broke us.

reply to post by BlueRaja

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Well, your post proved my point. You can't compare Israel to the other countries because it is shrouded with controversey.

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The USS Cole is no longer off the coast of Lebanon.

US warship leaves Lebanon for Gulf

reply to post by COOL HAND

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Excuse me. Can you answer my question about whether or not you know more about sending messages than our military?

reply to post by Beachcoma

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aww jeez beach - don't spoil the fun!



They'll be back - shrub thinks he's arnie...

reply to post by Beachcoma

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A quote in this post proves that it was a threat:



When you send the muscle to watch over something, it's not out of good will.

Roosevelt said "Speak softly and carry a big stick". This is just carrying a big stick.

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Taking a look at the rest of the article, a few things become even more clear:

source

Bullying - like I said - "do what we want, or look what will happen"

BAH

This unwarranted interference in other countries affairs needs to stop.

QED

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reply to post by budski

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Sorry, I was looking for information on what the authorities in Lebanon have to say about the posturing and found that. They say they didn't ask for it.

Anyway... the USS Cole doesn't have to be back. Two other ships have taken it's place.

2 new US warships off Lebanon coast