University student here to offer insight as to what is going on in our schools

Hello all

For some background information. I am a 2nd year, going into 3rd, student at a very large Canadian university. I am Criminology major.

What I am about to share may seem like common sense to some, frightening to others, or I may sound like a raving lunatic to a few

Many of my required classes are deeply rooted in socialism, in all honesty, to the point where they become indistinguishable from one another. At first we had students that would disagree with the material, noting that socialism is, at best, a pipedream but not anymore. You see, when the course material is to learn socialism, any sort of descent is considered the student not understanding. As a result, any student that shows free thought is met with poor marks.

It is hard to understand exactly what I mean by this unless you are enrolled, but there is one incident that sticks out to me.

This was in a sociology course that is mandatory for any liberal arts student. The professor said "Our goal is for a borderless world and a one world government. Our expectation in this class is that we will give you the tools necessary help achieve this goal". One of my classmates put up his hand and said something along the lines of "It is hard for me to agree with that. I don't think any person should have to lose their culture or identity, which is what a one world government would do". Her response, "xenophobia and racism will not be tolerated in this classroom". Any subsequent debate on his part was stalled with these words.

This line of thinking slowly started to leak into my other classes. Suddenly in my crim classes, we were being taught the other way to eliminate crime is by adopting Marxism. In my American history, we were told Stalin’s gulags were lies perpetrated by the West to slander Communism.

It really feels to me as if we are being groomed for something with these classes. At first I thought it was just me, but after getting to know a lot of students they say the same things I do. One guy even asked me flat out if I was a "spy" working for the University to try and get him to admit his real feelings.

My hope with this post is people with children in University talk to them to see if this is just the case at my school, or if it's more widespread. What I personally find the most disturbing is the number of people who are accepting their teachings at face value. People are being indoctrinated at my university, not taught. And the students that don't buy into it are treated like heretics.

I'm glad I could share this with you; I would love to hear your opinions.

People at your university have learned that the way to a well-paying career is to get good grades. The way to get good grades is, at least pretend, to accept institutional rhetoric as "the norm".

They've learned that to "Get along" they must, at least for the time-being, "Go along".


Do not be too quick to lump Socialism with Marxism, or for that matter, to assume that a "One World Government" would neccessarily based on a Marxist or even a Socialist pattern.

Socialism is not Communism.

A true Communistic society would not be possible unless every nation were to submit, requiring all nations to abandon every vestage of sovreignty.


A One-World government would not require either of these terms to function.

"It is hard for me to agree with that. I don't think any person should have to lose their culture or identity, which is what a one world government would do".

The form of government a nation adopts has scant little to do with its culture or identity. Your classmate needs to brush up on his social studies, I'm afraid.

It's like this:


You and three friends are in your car together. It's lunch-time. How do you four decide where to eat, assuming you have several alternatives?

What happens if one or more of you disgree with the choice?

What if one of you is allergic to, or phohibited by conscience or religious belief, from eating the food offered by the decided upon destination?

One car= One world.

"I am Criminology major."

Why are you a criminology major? Is that what they are telling you to do in order to get a job? I think you can better serve your nation by being something other than a cop or prison guard.

If you want to get out of the boat, then you have to get out of the boat all the way

reply to post by Me2Earth

Welcome to ATS.
As a retired professor, let me give you my view regarding some of your points.
First, let me, in full disclosure, let you know that I taught in the College of Business at my college, so I guess that makes me a capitalist! LOL!

One of the things I learned about Academia (I spent the largest portion of my working life in the business world), is that:
1.) Some professors are full of themselves, and just think that they know it all, when in actuality, many of them would never make it in the real world.
2.) If you get 10 academics in the same room, you will have at least 12 different views on the same subject (a couple of them are schizophrenic).
3.) Some of them are not interested in what YOU have to say, they only like to hear themselves talk.
4.) Some of them are literally only a day or two ahead of the material that they present, and have never had any practical application of that material.
5.) Some of them spout rubbish for shock value. Maybe it is to get you to think, or maybe it isn't, but if the student isn't aware of the intent, harm can be done.
6.) Many professors are very good at getting students to learn, they know their subject quite well, they avoid trying to push their opinions on students, they try to help students grow in their field of studies, and they foster original thinking on the part of the student.

The key is to try to find those good professors, and avoid the "bad" ones.
One way is ratemyprofessors.com or other similar websites. A second way is to talk to students ahead of you in your field, and see who they feel is worthwhile to take.

By the way, many professors scream at the thought of sites such as ratemyprofessors.com, but the good ones usually aren't against them, because students are usually pretty honest about their thoughts. I would occasionally check my own ratings, because I wanted to see if there was anything that I might be doing that was annoying to students. Yes, you do get the occasional student that isn't happy with their grade, but most of the time, the criticisms and praises were right on.

Now, a college or university is supposed to be where you are encouraged to think, not parrot what some eccentric professor believes. Professors that try to shove their OPINIONS down your throat are running contrary to the purpose of a liberal education.

From:

www.umbc.edu...

this excerpt:

The liberal arts are traditionally intended to develop the faculties of the human mind, those powers of intelligence and imagination without which no intellectual work can be accomplished. Liberal education is not tied to certain academic subjects, such as philosophy, history, literature, music, art, and other so-called "humanities." In the liberal-arts tradition, scientific disciplines, such as mathematics and physics, are considered equally liberal, that is, equally able to develop the powers of the mind.

In the US, studies show that approximately 90% of the faculty are considered liberal or very liberal, while about 10% are considered conservative or very conservative. In my department, it was more 50-50, but that was due to the discipline- business and management.

You still learned a valuable lesson, because the close-minded profs that you had exposed you to what you will also encounter in the real world.
Sites like ATS is a microcosm of the world, although, admittedly, skewed toward the passionate nature of opinion.

Don't be afraid to respectfully challenge a professor with carefully thought out arguments. Try to do it without embarrassing him/her in class. That is a no-win for you. Perhaps after class, if you/prof have time, ask if you could discuss the issue with the prof. Ask to meet the prof at his/her office hours to discuss the issue. They can't turn you down, because they have to post and keep office hours. If they don't keep the hours, don't be afraid to go to the dean's office and ask where the prof is, and let the dean know that you were at the profs' office, and no one was there. If they had to cancel hours, they usually have to tell a department secretary or assistant, and reschedule hours.

Remember, in college, YOU are the customer, and if you aren't getting the service your tuition deserves, let someone know. One thing administrations do NOT like is getting a bad reputation with students, because they understand that students go back and tell their friends. Eventually enrollment drops, and that is not a good thing, as Martha Stewart would say.

I wish you luck. Keep the faith.

Thanks for your imput guys.

Yes I am a Criminology major, with a law minor. I am going to apply to law school once I finish school. I have no real desire to be in law enforcement.

What really concerns in this situation is not the socialist slant itself, but the idea people have been thrown out of the school for saying they disagree with it being the basis on nearly every single course (including some of the hard sciences).

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Me2Earth]