Colombia raid into Ecuador causes tension and warnings of war

Colombia raid into Ecuador causes tension and warnings of war

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BOGOTA (AFP) - Tensions between Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela reached a new high Sunday after Bogota launched a cross-border raid into Ecuador, killing the second-ranking official of Colombia\'s largest leftist rebel group.

Raul Reyes of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) was killed Saturday in an air raid conducted by Colombian forces on a jungle camp located on the Ecuadoran side of the common border.

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[edit on 2/3/2008 by azzllin]

I have been expecting movements like this for almost a year now, and with recent tensions over oil production, and United States interests in the area becoming more strained of late, this could be the start of some major plays.

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Meanwhile in Caracas, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez warned Colombia not to carry out raids against the FARC on Venezuelan territory, saying it could spark a war.

\"President Uribe, think about it long and hard. You had better not get the idea of doing this on our territory because it would be a \'causus belli\', cause for a war,\" Chavez said in his first reaction to the raid.

\"This is something very grave which is unprecedented in our lands,\" said Chavez, adding that he telephoned his ally Ecuadoran President Rafael Correa \"and we agreed to keep exchanging information.\"

\"The government of Colombia acknowledges having made an incursion, violating the (air) space of a neighboring country in an irresponsible way. This is worrisome,\" Chavez said.




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Wow, a conflict that does not involve the Religion of Peace.
Who woulda thunk it?

More and more we are hearing about this kind of raid, with so much going on in this region of south America , what do you think is sparking these what i would call, Deliberate baiting and disreguard for the borders and territories of other countries, Is this drug related, or Political manovering and move of deviant and provocative nature?

With the USA interests becoming strained also, with rumours of oil production peaks around the world, could someone be tryin to cause a void,

Either way in my opinion the wilful excursions over borders can only lead to trouble, I am just sprouting things that have run through my mind over the last year or so, i am by no means an expert in politics,

Can someone explain what else this could mean for those involved, both with genuine cause and with covert manipulation.

This has also been posted here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Slightly different take by the Australian press, seeming to be a little more open about it all? Anyhow i think the other poster was first.

If you take Peak Oil as an underlying theory for current geopolitical movements this would seem like a potential boon for the United States.

Get Venezuela to attack a US ally, US joins the Fracas in Caracas and a few weeks later the US controls the major oil exporter in South America.

Seems sort of obvious, no?

Glad to see them take out a member of FARC. As for chavez, he will talk and talk, but the bottom line is that he is a windbag and won't do jack except make another speech about the American 'Empire'

Chavez just ordered 10 of his divisions to move to the Colombian border, he also called persident Uribe a narcotrafficker, mobster, and a pawn of the U.S. empire, he also warned Mr. Uribe that if he goes into Venezuelan territory we would "send him a Sukhoi".

The world has to know that Colombia has a right to defend itself, the narcoterrorists from the FARC use Ecuador and Venezuela as their save havens. Colombia has the right to stand up to the FARC wherever they hide.

We are unlucky that our neighbors are hostile to us and friends to the FARC, Chavez is dying to find an excuse to declare war on us, but so far President Uribe has been wise and prudent, and although Chavez just called Uribe a mobster and an pawn of the U.S. empire, we are not going to give him an excuse to invade.

But just if he decides to do so, it will take our army two days to get to Caracas, we can stand up for ourselves.

So much for their planned defensive alliance against US invasion.

Recently, the countries of that region have been in talks regarding how to go about creating a defensive alliance, in the event that the US makes a power play for the region themselves.

Seems to me someone in the CIA managed to find just the right person to persuade in order to put a stop to that alliance.


Now to get to work guys,

Find out who is in charge of military planning in Bogota, find out who his advisors are.
Find out who in the CIA is recently attached to relations with those names, and you will find your smoking gun.


If you need a motive, just look at trade deals between the US and those countries. An alliance between those countries would be one hell of a bargaining chip in trade deals.

I don't like what's going on just a few hundred kilometers to the south of where I am...

Originally posted by johnsky
So much for their planned defensive alliance against US invasion.

Recently, the countries of that region have been in talks regarding how to go about creating a defensive alliance, in the event that the US makes a power play for the region themselves.

Seems to me someone in the CIA managed to find just the right person to persuade in order to put a stop to that alliance.


Now to get to work guys,

Find out who is in charge of military planning in Bogota, find out who his advisors are.
Find out who in the CIA is recently attached to relations with those names, and you will find your smoking gun.


If you need a motive, just look at trade deals between the US and those countries. An alliance between those countries would be one hell of a bargaining chip in trade deals.

Hi Johnsky

I`m afraid you are severely mistaken.

There were no recent talks in the region about creating a military alliance against the U.S. What happened was that Chavez proposed such an alliance and even his closest allies like Correa told him that they were not interested in such an ordeal. Governments in the region have always been too busy fighting against each other to really contemplate such a thing.

The military planning in Bogota is carried out by the Colombian president Alvaro Uribe.

There is no smoking gun, and conspiracy theory "facts". Chavez is dying to find a reason to declare war on us, he insults our president each week, but we have been smart enough to play along.

May I suggest that you get to work and investigate about the current political, economics, and social scenario in Caracas, there is your smoking gun, Chavez popularity is in an all time low and people are having to get in huge lines just to get milk, the socialist revolutionary regime is crumbling, Chavez is desperate for a distraction.

Regards,

C. Camilo

[edit on 2-3-2008 by Camilo1]

Send a Sukhoi. Well just recently Venezuela govt. just got those new fighter bombers. Didn't surprise me that they want to start using them against Colombia after they got those jets so recently.

Chavez, a Cuba ally, sees himself as a leader of Latin America's left and says right-wing Uribe is an obstacle to uniting South America.

Tanks ready to invade Colombia. Advance Russian fighter bombers. Wow, Chavez is sure eager.

All of the country's in that area should have been helping Colombia rid itself of the drug lords and instead they harbor them. Columbia was right to take this action because Ecuador did nothing about the problem. Chavez will hopefully find an assassins bullet in order to free his people from being led by him. I am all for sending a carrier battle group his way to see how much talking he does then, I bet he shuts his pie hole.

I don't think most of the Military in Ven. will be quick to want to get into a war with the US. If I am not mistaken, many of them have trained with the US and know just what we can do.

Also Chavez is really grasping at straws here, his idol Fidel is out of power in Cuba, and his own people are not all that happy with him. Sooner or later all his mouth is going to do is get him a bullet in the head.

reply to post by Sky watcher


The drug lords could've and should've been ousted a loooooong time ago. But there are too many people profiting financially from the situation. Not only the countries around Colombia, but European countries, the U.S. and perhaps others.

And the whole situation would definately be different if economic hitmen never existed. Chavez is a symptom, not the cause of this terrible situation that is going on in South America.

But anyway... The man has flipped totally and I hope this situation doesn't get worse, because then we here will be very close to the war.

I can't believe how fast this has deteriorated, from what seemed to be whining about something that has happened im sure many times before, we are now looking at a possible full scale war.

You know i miss the old days of the cold war, at least we knew who liked who and so fourth, as i said at the start of this thread i dont know much about the politics of this region, but thanks to everyone who has posted i am learning fast.

My wife just said the world is running out of safe places..

Here you can learn a little more about one of the primary causes of this whole situation

Google Video Link

Originally posted by azzllin
I can't believe how fast this has deteriorated, from what seemed to be whining about something that has happened im sure many times before, we are now looking at a possible full scale war.

You know i miss the old days of the cold war, at least we knew who liked who and so fourth, as i said at the start of this thread i dont know much about the politics of this region, but thanks to everyone who has posted i am learning fast.

My wife just said the world is running out of safe places..

Hi Azzllin

This has deteriorated indeed, but hopefully back channels will act in the customary way and things will cool off. Otherwise and unless there is a clear message to from the U.S. to Mr. Chavez (hopefully not public) regarding the American support to Uribe, we are looking at war any day.

As far as friends of the U.S. goes, the only real ally is Colombia, people tend to believe that this is a consequence of the drug war, but it really isn`t. Our foreign relations have always been directed by the respice pollum criteria, this means that we "look to the north" as far as our position in world affairs goes. Colombia has been a historical ally of the U.S. and I can tell you that the same 90% of the population that supports and cheers for Uribe also expects the U.S. to put their money behind their words and support the only ally they have left in the region.

But don`t think for a second that the other latin american countries support Chavez for ideological reasons, because they don`t. Currently it is considered politically correct in the region to be a "socialist", and Colombia has and never will be a socialist country precisely because of the FARC . The only real allies that Chavez has are Bolivia and Nicaragua. Argentina, Ecuador, Brazil and Uruguay support Chavez for only one reason; all the money that they have received either in oil or in shady deals from the Venezuelan leader.

If the United States would take their look away from the Middle East and put it in a region three hours away from Miami, believe me that more south American countries would really consider siding with the U.S. again.

In this instant the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Colombia (he was kidnapped and kept in the jungle by the FARC for more than five years, as have thousands of Colombian citizens) is reading a public statement, he is talking about how military units were attacked from the Ecuadorian side of the border. Colombian troops had to answer fire and that is the reason why they crossed the border. They had to get to the terrorist`s camp to look up for wounded or dead enemies. Raul Reyes is a known terrorist and was on Interpol`s 50 most wanted men of the world list.

He just apologized to the Ecuadorians for going 1.8 kilometers down their territory.

I could say that I`m shocked and appalled that Chavez asked for a public minute of silence in Venezuela to show his respect for Reyes and the FARC, but I`m not, Chavez goes beyond anything the civilized word has ever seen. And don`t think that Colombia is his final goal, it`s just a way to hit the U.S., he has said many times that he will not rest until he frees the continent of U.S. influence, and of course he means all of the Americas.

Between Chavez and his faux-poplulist demagoguery , the FARC narco-terrorists, and the US-backed Columbian regime with it's right wing paramilitaries, I can honestly say I don't have a dog in this fight.

There are no good guys here, just various different groups of bad guys.

Originally posted by xmotex
Between Chavez and his faux-poplulist demagoguery , the FARC narco-terrorists, and the US-backed Columbian regime with it's right wing paramilitaries, I can honestly say I don't have a dog in this fight.

There are no good guys here, just various different groups of bad guys.

I will concede that many of Uribe`s polical allies have been associated with right wing paramilitary groups. But let me remind you that Uribe has all of the leaders of the Paramilitary Forces behind bars.

Many people in Colombia, Venezuela, and Ecuador have dug deep into Uribe`s past and guess what??.

No relationship with any paramilitary force whatsoever.

Check your facts before you post.