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Fantastic stuff as usual True American! Let's see the mainstream press and Bush admin refer to THESE people as 'whacko's'....Something VERY wrong happened, and there is not a single question in my mind that at the VERY LEAST our gov is lying about what REALLY happened, and the very most may be directly behind it all...

Just as the Germans experienced mass psychosis in Nazi German, US as a nation are in the throws of truly massive denial and trauma induced psychosis.
One by one Americans need to wake each other up. Many many seeds have been planted and are breaking through their dormancy period.
Soon very soon, the media will not be able to mask the people's knowledge.

indeed,my support goes out to these 25 brave souls who have the courage,real patriotism and wisdom to act for the betterment of all.who has the fortitude to join them?,the integrity to act in the interests of the formerly great nation of the USA.it is being destroyed from the inside out and it must be stopped.

i really do wonder,who and what is cheney?,can someone so evil really be human any more?,i was looking at his career on wiki and all seemed fine earlier on,he was a conservative spender,promiting small military budgets with fiscal reductions year on year.but towards the end of the 90's he just went nuts,he probably got corrupted when head of halliburton,i wonder what happened?,what happened to his mind to make him the way he is now?,is meglomanic evil a mental condition?,there seems to be a case for that,how else can we explain the littany of evil rulers through out history?,something must go wrong in thier minds.

now that would be funny,commiting the evil leaders of our world under law to therapy or mental institutions for they are a danger to society!!!!!!!,hahaha!.

Originally posted by welivefortheson
i wonder what happened?,what happened to his mind to make him the way he is now?,is meglomanic evil a mental condition?,there seems to be a case for that,how else can we explain the littany of evil rulers through out history?,something must go wrong in thier minds.

Well if absolute power corrupts absolutely, then it would seem the proper thing to do would be to minimize it, eliminate it, or find someone to lead that cannot be corrupted. The problem is that even if we did find someone, we need several hundred more of them... uhhh, make that probably several thousand...

But you ask some really good questions. Gotta just love the BiggerBrother moniker! That is sweet. Welcome to ATS, hadn't seen you before!

True, I posted a thread recently where I stated that the Patriot Act would become the new constitution, although there were many viewers unfortunately I dont think I got any replies.

Its quite obvious to anyone with a brain that the USA has been highjacked by a group of murdering despots and the problem is the worst is yet to come.

This is a most extensive link and I have focused only on the lack of any wreckage to provide evidence of airliner crash into both WTC and Pentagon.

“As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.” Capt. Daniel Davis, former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.

“And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ...” Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret), is a Navy aviator.

“In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident,” wrote Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret), a former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority.

”The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous ... It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile.” Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force, former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions, retired commercial pilot, who flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years.

“One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?” Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret), former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM),

The Pentagon "crash" was such a hoax I never believed it.

I know the theory of holograms projected on to the towers. I never really believed that, but now I'm not sure.

If there were no physical planes involved, what about all those passengers who allegedly died in the crash. They had relatives mourning them, they can't really fake that. If they did all somehow disappear, where did they go? Some CIA black ops holes.

That's what I can't figure out, what did they do to the passengers?

Originally posted by magicmushroom
True, I posted a thread recently where I stated that the Patriot Act would become the new constitution, although there were many viewers unfortunately I dont think I got any replies.

lol. I laugh not because you didn't get any replies, but at that notion in itself. I might suggest one reason could be that the Patriot Act becoming our new Constitution is a pipe dream that is not acceptable. If I saw a title like that, I have to confess I would probably skip it... Just out of sheer denial. But you are probably right, is the unfortunate thing.

Its quite obvious to anyone with a brain that the USA has been highjacked by a group of murdering despots and the problem is the worst is yet to come.

Well be careful, because we can only stay so far ahead of the trailing edge of the informed. As to the worse yet to come, let's hope the words above of an element of the military being aware have some real truth to them. I think they do. And if they don't, then we just need to keep right on trucking and learn 'em.

Oh this is great news!
Stars+Flag from me.

I hope that new information will be brought to light of what indeed is going on. ( Though I don't really believe much went on during 9/11 as I actually didn't witness anything. Being stuck in school the whole day while supposed "Terrorist" attacked the country.) My heart to those who are attempting to get the truth.

Originally posted by khunmoon
The Pentagon "crash" was such a hoax I never believed it.

It's funny that many people focus on the videos confiscated from the gas station , when there were several cameras on the roof of the Pentagon that probably captured whatever it was dead on, and from better angles than anything across the street. Those are the videos we need to see.

I know the theory of holograms projected on to the towers. I never really believed that, but now I'm not sure.

If there were no physical planes involved, what about all those passengers who allegedly died in the crash. They had relatives mourning them, they can't really fake that. If they did all somehow disappear, where did they go? Some CIA black ops holes.

That's what I can't figure out, what did they do to the passengers?

Yeah, but the pictures of the engines on the streets are pretty convincing. Not necessarily absolute, because there were problems with those, too. Some say they were too small. But it appeared they were engines from something. So that right there sends me the other direction with respect to the no plane theory.

The switched plane theory though still raises the same questions. And what happened with that one flight to Cleveland may provide a clue. Like you said: CIA black ops hole. You ever see that one story about the reports of the 2 planes sighted over the Pacific while all this was going on?

But then there is the other theory that two planes did crash into the towers. And all those people including the hijackers did die. Because of the pilots not switching on the hijacking alert- so easy to do- especially when it seemed likely that they would have had the time to do it with minimal weapons present, it sends me straight back to thinking that the planes were taken by remote. Has anyone been able to verify AA or United maintenance records, when it has been listed in documents that some of the complicit had gained access to restricted areas of the airport?

I am thinking they either modified those planes covertly- or pulled a switch of planes. There seem to be noteworthy arguments for both sides. All I know is we have 25 more insiders with serious credentials asking similar questions that need to be answered.

Where or what happened to the passengers, well they were murdered its as simple as that, when your on a killing spree of thousands a couple of hundred more dont make any difference. There is nothing new to those who have the power to kill their own people for more power and more control.

Whilst many make the mistake that it can only happen in some foriegn land they are quite wrong as stated earlier, where was the outrage when men, women and children were being murdered at WACO.

what got me an yes I may be hated for this but honestly How do people take over a plane of 50+ people with box cutters?

Let see, My life or some deep wounds?

I would of been biting some jugulars or something..... No one knew a choke hole , take off your shoes and beat them to death with them.... I would of been someone who died trying to stop these guys... its in my nature its in the nature of alot of people to stop trouble specialy with all those people watching you an know only 5 or so guys were the enemy out of 50+ people?

I say 50 becuz Im sure thats the amount of people who could actually have done something against these guys...

I mean this is gonna sound odd, but i was watching " AIrplane" funny movie but also theres one or two isles, thats a trap for the terrorists itself, you are forced to turn your back on people, why wasnt any of those opportunities taken?

Im just saying theres alot of herioc people out there alot of which do not know they are heroic untill that moment comes....


Not to mention I worked on F-16s we studied wrecks it was part of our teaching, You are going to have alot of debris left over even if it was carring napalm, with all the alloys like mentioned above these metals were designed to withstand extreme temps, with every other wreckage you have mile long debris paths, in the ocean you have parts that float an sink i mean Something is going to be left over.

Originally posted by Trance Optic
what got me an yes I may be hated for this but honestly How do people take over a plane of 50+ people with box cutters?

we always forget that 9/11 wasn't a clip from an action movie but this was the real thing! In reality things don't go as smooth as we are being shown..