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Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11

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posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 06:10 AM
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Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11


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January 14, 2008 – Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others...
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posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 06:10 AM
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The ‘Patriot Act’ was actually written prior to 9/11 with the intention of destroying the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. It was passed by Congress, based upon the government's myth of 9/11, which was in reality a staged hoax. 9/11 was scripted and executed by rogue elements of the military, FAA, intelligence, and private contractors working for the US government. - Former U.S. Air Force pilot Lt. Jeff Dahlstrom


I am not the only one sensing that rogue elements in our government and other governments like Saudi Arabia and Israel may have taken the route of corruption and evil, and committed the highest acts of treason ever against the American people.

Here we have 25 extremely credible and many very highly decorated senior military officials challenging the official story. I highly recommend visiting the link, and reading what they all have to say.

I would love nothing more than to believe that all these people are just crazed lunatics full of conspiracy theories, and that we have just cause to have killed all the people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan over a crime that was never fully investigated. I may be on the fence, but I am about to fall.


Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, “I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. … Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: ‘Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing’. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.” - Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret).


Quite the point! Standard procedure would have taken those planes down. The government did something, alright.

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[edit on 2-3-2008 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 06:50 AM
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Starred...Flagged...

Fantastic stuff as usual True American! Let's see the mainstream press and Bush admin refer to THESE people as 'whacko's'....Something VERY wrong happened, and there is not a single question in my mind that at the VERY LEAST our gov is lying about what REALLY happened, and the very most may be directly behind it all...



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 06:59 AM
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Thanks DD. But I am just the messenger. A lot of what these people are saying has been said before. The debunkers will be here in no time claiming it's all opinion, as usual.

But man! One must seriously take notice of who these people are. I mean having people like Charlie Sheen and Willie Nelson talking about it certainly helps with awareness, but to have the inside people that high saying the things they are saying has got to mean something. Note that other link to of the state department officials. Same deal. You know these people have got to be in touch with friends who are still in the military or related functions. Raising awareness has serious effect, which is why you hear me screaming about it all the time. It is a good day, this day, to read this.

And I have a sense that we now have a counter element in the military to the "rogue" element. I am happier. A bit.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 07:06 AM
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Just as the Germans experienced mass psychosis in Nazi German, US as a nation are in the throws of truly massive denial and trauma induced psychosis.
One by one Americans need to wake each other up. Many many seeds have been planted and are breaking through their dormancy period.
Soon very soon, the media will not be able to mask the people's knowledge.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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Excellent thread, TrueAmerican ! Your name serves you well. From the
beginning, I found it hard to believe that so many cameras just happened
to be pointing at the World Trade Center towers on 9/11/01...

Now all the controversy that has followed, made me on the fence, off, on-
you-know. Being a freshman here at ATS, and hooked-up by primative
phone modem makes reading all links very slow.

I can tell you that most of my buddies in the services speak of two sides
within... You are RIGHT about "counter" soldiers. Go ahead and breathe
that particular sigh of relief, I have!



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by FRIGHTENER
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Excellent thread, TrueAmerican ! Your name serves you well. From the
beginning, I found it hard to believe that so many cameras just happened
to be pointing at the World Trade Center towers on 9/11/01...


Well, lol, I guess you may not know, but the truth is my name came from the headstock of a prized guitar of mine, a Guild TrueAmerican series. It is a mighty sweet guitar... I was thrilled to hear Willie's daughter, Paula Nelson talk about her Guild on an Alex Jones interview.

But back on topic, we used to talk about that very thing over at another site, about the cameras. With some of the footage that has been shot, one in particular, it was hard to imagine that the camera could have been there without foreknowledge and it being pre-placed to capture the shot.


Now all the controversy that has followed, made me on the fence, off, on-
you-know.


Oh man, how I so can relate to what you are saying. Not six months ago, I was feeling like, "nah, we ain't got jack...Maybe the official story is true." What I am coming to realize is that much of the official story MAY be true. It's the parts they are leaving out and the evidence they are hiding and have destroyed, like all those pentagon videos and the FAA tapes, that keep me in the game.


I can tell you that most of my buddies in the services speak of two sides
within... You are RIGHT about "counter" soldiers. Go ahead and breathe
that particular sigh of relief, I have!


Well I will say right here and right now THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to all of you that are waking up and taking notice- and more importantly- truly protecting us. You are heroes. But remember, the others that have not learned are not necessarily bad. Patience. Education. Awareness. Peace.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 07:46 AM
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Funny you should say, I was just reading about "lizard man"

Talk about mass phsychosis! I saw the pentagon security tape, but i didn't see no plane!!!
I just saw an explosion that aparently was going the wrong way. Because of the clever use of the media, in that we were litterally bombarded with images of planes crashing into buildings, burnt into our brains, if you only mention deciet or 9/11 lies, people become defensive, because as far as they are concerned, it's like you are telling them that they are blind, even though your not.
I believe this technique was used as well back with JFK , in that everyone saw jfk get shot, while that was fresh, the fastest solved murder in the world accured, and lo, here he is, mr oswold,well after they flashed his mugshot around the the world enough, they shot him, and then they shot the man that shot him! and there you go , case closed , everyones happy
It's about bloody time a bunch of military people got into this, as much as I appreciate "ol blue eyes crying in the rain" having a say, and, so I here , charlie sheen , Um, I just don't think that they are probably the best torchbearers we could use, If anything, my old mate willie could do better doing what he does best!!
when I was first told and I ran to the tv (with six billion others!) I honestly thought they were pulling my leg, I thought I was watching a movie!!
And you know, I think I was, a b-grade pentagon flick!



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Here is another site listing true patriots that question the official story.

There perhaps may be some over lap.www.patriotsquestion911.com...

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posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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indeed,my support goes out to these 25 brave souls who have the courage,real patriotism and wisdom to act for the betterment of all.who has the fortitude to join them?,the integrity to act in the interests of the formerly great nation of the USA.it is being destroyed from the inside out and it must be stopped.

i really do wonder,who and what is cheney?,can someone so evil really be human any more?,i was looking at his career on wiki and all seemed fine earlier on,he was a conservative spender,promiting small military budgets with fiscal reductions year on year.but towards the end of the 90's he just went nuts,he probably got corrupted when head of halliburton,i wonder what happened?,what happened to his mind to make him the way he is now?,is meglomanic evil a mental condition?,there seems to be a case for that,how else can we explain the littany of evil rulers through out history?,something must go wrong in thier minds.

now that would be funny,commiting the evil leaders of our world under law to therapy or mental institutions for they are a danger to society!!!!!!!,hahaha!.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Yes, thanks, I remember seeing that link from the OP main story site, I believe it's there as well. So many prominent people are starting to feel safer questioning the official story, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING THE OFFICIAL STORY. If there weren't some serious beefs, this would have been put to rest a long time ago. And I know it has been in the minds of some. That's their choice. But not mine.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by welivefortheson
i wonder what happened?,what happened to his mind to make him the way he is now?,is meglomanic evil a mental condition?,there seems to be a case for that,how else can we explain the littany of evil rulers through out history?,something must go wrong in thier minds.


Well if absolute power corrupts absolutely, then it would seem the proper thing to do would be to minimize it, eliminate it, or find someone to lead that cannot be corrupted. The problem is that even if we did find someone, we need several hundred more of them... uhhh, make that probably several thousand...

But you ask some really good questions.
Gotta just love the BiggerBrother moniker! That is sweet. Welcome to ATS, hadn't seen you before!



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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True, I posted a thread recently where I stated that the Patriot Act would become the new constitution, although there were many viewers unfortunately I dont think I got any replies.

Its quite obvious to anyone with a brain that the USA has been highjacked by a group of murdering despots and the problem is the worst is yet to come.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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This is a most extensive link and I have focused only on the lack of any wreckage to provide evidence of airliner crash into both WTC and Pentagon.


“As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.” Capt. Daniel Davis, former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.

“And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ...” Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret), is a Navy aviator.

“In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident,” wrote Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret), a former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority.

”The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous ... It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile.” Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force, former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions, retired commercial pilot, who flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years.

“One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?” Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret), former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM),


The Pentagon "crash" was such a hoax I never believed it.

I know the theory of holograms projected on to the towers. I never really believed that, but now I'm not sure.

If there were no physical planes involved, what about all those passengers who allegedly died in the crash. They had relatives mourning them, they can't really fake that. If they did all somehow disappear, where did they go? Some CIA black ops holes.

That's what I can't figure out, what did they do to the passengers?



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
True, I posted a thread recently where I stated that the Patriot Act would become the new constitution, although there were many viewers unfortunately I dont think I got any replies.


lol. I laugh not because you didn't get any replies, but at that notion in itself. I might suggest one reason could be that the Patriot Act becoming our new Constitution is a pipe dream that is not acceptable. If I saw a title like that, I have to confess I would probably skip it... Just out of sheer denial. But you are probably right, is the unfortunate thing.


Its quite obvious to anyone with a brain that the USA has been highjacked by a group of murdering despots and the problem is the worst is yet to come.


Well be careful, because we can only stay so far ahead of the trailing edge of the informed. As to the worse yet to come, let's hope the words above of an element of the military being aware have some real truth to them. I think they do. And if they don't, then we just need to keep right on trucking and learn 'em.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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Oh this is great news!
Stars+Flag from me.


I hope that new information will be brought to light of what indeed is going on. ( Though I don't really believe much went on during 9/11 as I actually didn't witness anything. Being stuck in school the whole day while supposed "Terrorist" attacked the country.) My heart to those who are attempting to get the truth.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by khunmoon
The Pentagon "crash" was such a hoax I never believed it.


It's funny that many people focus on the videos confiscated from the gas station , when there were several cameras on the roof of the Pentagon that probably captured whatever it was dead on, and from better angles than anything across the street. Those are the videos we need to see.


I know the theory of holograms projected on to the towers. I never really believed that, but now I'm not sure.

If there were no physical planes involved, what about all those passengers who allegedly died in the crash. They had relatives mourning them, they can't really fake that. If they did all somehow disappear, where did they go? Some CIA black ops holes.

That's what I can't figure out, what did they do to the passengers?


Yeah, but the pictures of the engines on the streets are pretty convincing. Not necessarily absolute, because there were problems with those, too. Some say they were too small. But it appeared they were engines from something. So that right there sends me the other direction with respect to the no plane theory.

The switched plane theory though still raises the same questions. And what happened with that one flight to Cleveland may provide a clue. Like you said: CIA black ops hole. You ever see that one story about the reports of the 2 planes sighted over the Pacific while all this was going on?

But then there is the other theory that two planes did crash into the towers. And all those people including the hijackers did die. Because of the pilots not switching on the hijacking alert- so easy to do- especially when it seemed likely that they would have had the time to do it with minimal weapons present, it sends me straight back to thinking that the planes were taken by remote. Has anyone been able to verify AA or United maintenance records, when it has been listed in documents that some of the complicit had gained access to restricted areas of the airport?

I am thinking they either modified those planes covertly- or pulled a switch of planes. There seem to be noteworthy arguments for both sides. All I know is we have 25 more insiders with serious credentials asking similar questions that need to be answered.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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Where or what happened to the passengers, well they were murdered its as simple as that, when your on a killing spree of thousands a couple of hundred more dont make any difference. There is nothing new to those who have the power to kill their own people for more power and more control.

Whilst many make the mistake that it can only happen in some foriegn land they are quite wrong as stated earlier, where was the outrage when men, women and children were being murdered at WACO.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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what got me an yes I may be hated for this but honestly How do people take over a plane of 50+ people with box cutters?

Let see, My life or some deep wounds?

I would of been biting some jugulars or something..... No one knew a choke hole , take off your shoes and beat them to death with them.... I would of been someone who died trying to stop these guys... its in my nature its in the nature of alot of people to stop trouble specialy with all those people watching you an know only 5 or so guys were the enemy out of 50+ people?

I say 50 becuz Im sure thats the amount of people who could actually have done something against these guys...

I mean this is gonna sound odd, but i was watching " AIrplane" funny movie but also theres one or two isles, thats a trap for the terrorists itself, you are forced to turn your back on people, why wasnt any of those opportunities taken?

Im just saying theres alot of herioc people out there alot of which do not know they are heroic untill that moment comes....


Not to mention I worked on F-16s we studied wrecks it was part of our teaching, You are going to have alot of debris left over even if it was carring napalm, with all the alloys like mentioned above these metals were designed to withstand extreme temps, with every other wreckage you have mile long debris paths, in the ocean you have parts that float an sink i mean Something is going to be left over.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Trance Optic
what got me an yes I may be hated for this but honestly How do people take over a plane of 50+ people with box cutters?


we always forget that 9/11 wasn't a clip from an action movie but this was the real thing! In reality things don't go as smooth as we are being shown..



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