Do you eat meat?, page 2
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 08:32 PM by psychedeliack
reply to post by Roland Deschain



I dont know how much meat is actually in McDonalds burgers, if its real at all!


reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 10:30 PM by Badge01
reply to post by psychedeliack



Good point. I think the consumption of any dietary element is partially based on habit and on things like texture.

If it tastes the same, delivers the essential nutrients and has a similar quality, such as 'mouth feel', then most meat eaters would be just as happy with tofu-burgers and similar items.

As I mentioned, when you give up red meat, it's only later that you perceive how greasy and unpalatable it might actually be. Without realizing it, you've re-trained your palate.



[edit on 2-3-2008 by Badge01]


reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 11:18 PM by ChiKeyMonKey
reply to post by space cadet



So it's ok to eat fish!

Now I'm pretty sure this one has been done to death, but what the heck...

So what will you do when the fish stocks (which are already dangerously low) run out?

Does (in your opinion), fish include dolphins and whales because plenty of people like to eat them as well?

Do fish not suffer trauma whilst being hunted?

Meat is meat is meat. It is the flesh of an animal and in some cases vegetable too.

A vegetarian is someone who does not eat meat, and to me that includes fish. Maybe you should read or watch some fish farm vids as well. Find out about all the nasty growth agents and cancer causing chemicals they stick in the water with them.

And do you know why young guys in the navy are called skates?

MonKey





reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 11:37 PM by Shar_Chi
Originally posted by ChiKeyMonKey
reply to
post by space cadet


Now I'm pretty sure this one has been done to death, but what the heck...

As much as I agree with your actual point, it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical of you to pontificate on this subject given your previous posts? People ascribe to varying degrees of ethics, but you aren't satisfied unless the overall standard is as low as yours?


reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 12:00 AM by ChiKeyMonKey
Originally posted by Shar_Chi
Originally posted by ChiKeyMonKey
reply to
post by space cadet


Now I'm pretty sure this one has been done to death, but what the heck...

As much as I agree with your actual point, it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical of you to pontificate on this subject given your previous posts? People ascribe to varying degrees of ethics, but you aren't satisfied unless the overall standard is as low as yours?


I thought the whole point of this place was to pontificate? It's all about opinions is it not? I feel it's hypocritical of the op to go on about the treatment of one type of animal over another.

Yes I have low standards. That way everyday brings such wonderful surprises!

Ethics? Isn't that next to Sussex!

MonKey




reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 12:12 AM by space cadet
reply to post by ChiKeyMonKey



First of all I do not eat just any fish, and would never eat a dolphin. I eat local fish only. Always have. Fresh out of lakes fed by artisian waters. Fish are not milk giving, nurturing , warm blooded mammals. They are cold blooded invertabrates. Although schools of fish seem to be smart enough to 'stay in school' pardon the pun, it is believed by the scientific community they are merely responding to electronic activity, not thinking. It has also never been proven that a fish can even feel pain. If scraped on the head or face they will jump, but nothing indicates pain, just reaction to touch. Anyway, if Jesus fed the people with them I personally think it must be okay to eat them, to me that is like the official word.


reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 12:21 AM by grimreaper797
reply to post by space cadet



Just an fyi, they are vertebrates. They have a backbone...so stop calling those fish spineless, they are no cowards!


reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 12:37 AM by ChiKeyMonKey
reply to post by space cadet



And if Jesus said "Thou should stick thy head in an oven!"

Would you?

Honestly. The Jesus told me to do it argument, is borderline fruitcake. If we are all God's children then it's God's children that are causing the suffering of these animals, and God's children that are eating them.

I would have thought that Buddha would have been a bit more up your alley. Although they, Buddhists, don't eat fish.

MonKey




reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 12:50 AM by space cadet
reply to post by ChiKeyMonKey



Monkey I would respect your opinion, but it is too late. Why call someone borderline fruitcake for making a reference to the bible? Do you feel anyone who reads the bible is a fruitcake? What is your problem? Nevermind don't answer. Name calling should have ended for you like it does most of us around 3rd grade.

FYI, you don't know me, so don't assume I have an 'alley' that you would know anything about.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by space cadet]



reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 12:56 AM by space cadet
reply to post by grimreaper797



My bad, you are absolutely correct, they are vertabrates, I was trying to recall something I learned so long ago! Not Cowards.


reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 01:19 AM by ChiKeyMonKey
reply to post by space cadet



So if a rapist, serial killer of children says.

"Jesus told me to do it" Then it's all fine and dandy.

It's about doing something because someone says it's ok as opposed to doing it for your own reasons - that always gets my goat - nothing to do with reading the bible. It's on a par with someone blowing themselves up in the name of god. Although that would be full fruitcake!


al·ley 1 (l)
n. pl. al·leys
1. A narrow street or passageway between or behind city buildings.
2. A path between flower beds or trees in a garden or park.
3. Sports
a. A straight narrow course or track, especially a bowling alley.
b. Either of the parallel lanes at the sides of a tennis court, which widen the inbounds area for doubles play.
Idiom:
up (one's) alley Informal
Compatible with one's interests or qualifications: an assignment that is right up your alley.


I've just added that because I think you may have some other meaning attached to that particular saying, semantics and all that.

I'm fully aware that I don't know you, as you, do not know me. hmmm Something about judging springs to mind.

MonKey




reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 01:25 AM by Obliv_au
reply to post by space cadet



are you kidding? fish dont feel pain?

of course they do. have you ever caught a fish by accidentally jagging its eye instead of biting the hook?
ever snagged a fish hook up the fish's chocolate starfish? (its butt hole)

im a terrible fisherman, and ive done all the above. i assure you they definately do feel pain.

do you know when they go dolphin hunting they catch a few and dangle them in the water by their tails from a crane after being intentionally injured and slashed open? its because the pod of dolphins will never leave an injured or wounded dolpin alone so it encourages the pod to hang around for easier slaughter.




reply posted on 3-3-2008 @ 01:46 AM by space cadet
reply to post by Obliv_au



I wouldn't eat a dolphin. The debate over whether or not fish feel pain has been going on for a long time, science even argues with itself over this, only in the last few years have any scientist come anywhere near having any proof that what you see when you hook a fish in the eye is actually a reaction to pain. Some say it is, most say it isnt. There is much said about it on the internet, both sides of the issue. Fishing is not considered a blood sport, but a lot of fishermen do consider it to be a blood sport. But to me, even if they do feel pain, their lives and deaths are not as ghoulish and gory as the life of a cow or pig on it's way to mass production. Maybe I am saying I am a hypocryte, if you don't factor in my previous statement about the bible ( Jesus turned one fish into many and manna rained down from heaven to feed the multitudes) and what it means to me, then I am just a downright hypocryte. Oh well, I would rather be that than contibute to the mass production of beef and pork.
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