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Topic started on 1-3-2008 @ 04:08 AM by 0bserver1
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SCIENTISTS have finally unravelled the meaning of squeaks and whistles that make up dolphin "speech".
image source: http://www.animalsurvival.nl/userfiles/Image/doelstellingen/dolphin.jpg
For millions of years, dolphins have been communicating with each other, in peace.
According to the Australian researchers who have picked up "dolphinese", the language shows the animals are more similar to humans that previously
thought.
The scientists identified almost 200 different whistles that the dolphins make to communicate, and linked some to specific behaviours.
Biologist Dr Liz Hawkins and her colleagues listened to the chatter of wild bottlenose dolphins off the western coast of Australia for three years.
Dr Hawkins, of the whale research centre at Southern Cross University, New South Wales, said: "This communication is highly complex, and it is
contextual, so in a sense it could be termed a language."
Dolphins were known to use "signature" whistles to identify themselves to others, but the meaning of the other whistles they make was a mystery.
Dr Hawkins recorded 1,647 whistles from 51 different groups of dolphins living in Byron Bay, New South Wales.
The biologist, who presented her work at a meeting of the Society for Marine Mammalogy in Cape Town, grouped all the whistles into five tonal classes
and found that these groups, and even individual whistles, clearly went with different behaviours.
Dr Melinda Rekdahl, of the University of Queensland in Brisbane, said it was too early to know whether whistles might mean something specific, but
added: "It is possible. Dolphin communication is much more complicated than we thought."
The research, the scientists claim, will lead to a reassessment of the social complexity of dolphins, raising moral questions over how those kept in
captivity should be treated.
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reply posted on 1-3-2008 @ 08:54 AM by tomcat ha
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Expected this myself.
I wouldnt be suprized if their whistles are sort of midway between words and letters.
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reply posted on 1-3-2008 @ 09:01 AM by Beachcoma
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 Originally posted by 0bserver1
For millions of years, dolphins have been communicating with each other, in peace.
Sorry to shatter your notion, but they aren't as peaceful as you may think. Like the article said, they're certainly more similar to humans than
they appear.
Alliance Strategies in Bottlenose DolphinsResearchers have been
studying the bottlenose dolphins (Tursiops sp.) in Shark Bay, Western Australia for quite a long time because they are tame. They have observed
male-male alliances that seem very stable. Male alliances are usually groups of two or three males that can last many years. The association
coefficient for some pairs of males is in the same range as those found for mothers and their nursing calves(3).
So why do males form these alliances? The answer seems to greatly reflect human behavior: to get women. Male alliances typically "herd" females for
anywhere from a few minutes to months(4) These herding events are not usually enjoyed by the females. Herding is often forcible with escape events and
violence involved.(3) In a herding event males will surround the female or chase her. Aggression toward the female is common and can include: hitting
with the tail, head-jerks, charging, biting, or body slamming.(3) Should the female try to escape, which often happens, the males will chase her more
often than not. Of course the ultimate goal of a herding event is sex and the males in the alliance will take turns to make sure everyone has an equal
share. If the alliance has three members, only 2 will herd the female and the third will stay behind. However, the individual who is left behind
changes with every herding event so again all members have an equal chance at mating. (3)
Not so peaceful. Also similar to a human behaviour called 'gang-rape'.
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 12:44 AM by Cloak and Dagger
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Beachcoma,
For the Dolphins to view it as 'gang-rape' they would have to think and experience the same psychological ramifications as we humans do on rape.
Perhaps these intelligent sentient creatures don't view it this way. I think you're being too sudden projecting this human notion to their dolphin
minds.
Or maybe they are just primitive creatures on the verge of evolution, but still slave to their selfish biological drive. Maybe we can say they
gang-rape and view them in a negative light justifiably. I don't know.
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 06:17 AM by Beachcoma
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Originally posted by Cloak and Dagger
Or maybe they are just primitive creatures on the verge of evolution, but still slave to their selfish biological drive.
You can say the same thing about humans.
Put it this way -- dolphins are very intelligent, yes? They can understand what we are trying to convey to them. They have a sort of language between
themselves. Research has also revealed that they have the gift of insight, as we do.
So what's the difference then? What makes morality so "uniquely human" if we can also be amoral?
Besides, even rats suffer psychologically when forced to partake in something they clearly don't want to. What makes you think dolphin females, who
are far superior to rats in the brain department, don't suffer the same psychological effects of being "herded" by dolphin male gangs?
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 06:27 AM by ZeroKnowledge
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Human morality changed and will change throughout history . Human morality is still slightly different in certain geographic/social/economical
layers.
Why then we must have same moral values with dolphins? The fact that dolphin female might be in a great stress -very possibly. This doesn't mean that
general dolphin population considers it "immoral".
I did not see dolphin concetration camps either. So before saying that their are more violent/immoral then us, humans, we should clean up our own
history. Or rewrite it, a lot easier.
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 07:59 AM by Sky watcher
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Scientist need to get off their backsides and figure them out because I believe they have more intelligence than we do with their larger brains. A
scientist has a aquarium with TVs in the walls and he shows them live feeds of themselves and then recordings of themselves and they know the
difference. If the dolphin is watching himself like he is looking in the mirror he does all kinds of funny stuff, If he is watching a recorded feed of
other dolphins he just sits and watches. That was not the amazing part though. He showed that when the dolphins get board they will take and make huge
air bubbles under the water and play with them to entertain themselves, They will even make perfect rings to swim through. Here is the shocker. One
thought that he would let everyone see just how much he knew by making himself a perfect halo for the top of his head. Living in Florida I have been
around tons of them. One time I ran my flat bottom boat quietly into a group of them and I gave myself and my friend the experience of a lifetime.
They were very happy to see us and swim right beside the boat upside down and look at us laughing and playing. They even let their little baby swim
right up to me and they played right there all around the boat for probably a half hour and you could feel the strong bond that they have with us.
Just a warning though dolphins will protect themselves. If you see anyone harassing a dolphin, One make sure your not in the water and two stop anyone
who is harassing them because they will kill as it has happened already. Two guys in waist deep water though it would be funny to kick and punch one,
The dolphin took revenge on one of the guys and pummeled him to death. Swimming with them can be dangerous in this way because they could have just
experienced something like that and then take it out on you. They are the most amazing fish in the sea and I think we need to see what they know in
those brains of theirs because I bet it would truly blow us away.
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 10:26 AM by Beachcoma
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Man, some people are bending over backwards to defend what I said earlier about dolphins. 
The message is simple -- dolphins aren't those cute and cuddly creatures they are often portrayed as. That's all there is to what I said. I did not
say that "they are more violent/immoral than us". (In fact my comment about human morality was just an off-hand comment, not the meat of my previous
message)
I was simply saying they aren't 'angelic' as some would like to believe. All intelligent creatures are capable of violence, be it dolphins,
elephants or crows. Just like humans, who are also animals in their own right.
And to say that dolphins "probably don't consider it amoral" is making an even bigger assumption than my simple observation that "the female
probably doesn't like to be herded". How can you say that they are very intelligent yet they can't figure out how the others in their own ranks are
feeling. Aren't animals very perceptive? What's with the doublethink?
It's absurd. Even more now that we know dolphins have a language that "is highly complex, and [is] contextual."
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 10:41 AM by ChiKeyMonKey
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Killer whales are dolphins (kind of) no one starts saying arrrr aren't they cute when they are flipping seals in the air and playing seal pup
baseball. They also have highly complex language abilities.
Orcas are versatile and opportunistic predators. Some populations feed mostly on fish, and other populations hunt marine mammals, including sea lions,
seals, and even large whales. There are up to five distinct Orca types, some of which may be separate subspecies or even species. Orcas are highly
social; some populations are composed of matrilineal family groups which are the most stable of any animal species.[1] The sophisticated social
behaviour, hunting techniques, and vocal behaviour of Orcas have been described as manifestations of culture.[2]
Wiki Link
This one time I was out swimmin and 6 dolphins jumped me for no reason, they took my wallet and my fags. Vicious little buggers!!
MonKey
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reply posted on 2-3-2008 @ 11:32 AM by DeadFlagBlues
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I'm with you on this one. Everybody here seems to believe that wild animals that are usually portrayed in a positive light can't turn to odd natural
behaviors that are deemed as "immoral," though it's "amoral." Behavior, especially that of wild animals shouldn't be deemed right or wrong, but
as you pointed out, they may be thought of as barbaric or otherwise. This article doesn't go into self awareness or "Dolphins hold selves
accountable for gang rape" or anything like that. This is strictly about communication between dolphins and not an issue of "good animals gone
bad."
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