Originally posted by Siren


Galatians 5:20 - The word sorcery, pharmekeia in Greek, refers to abortifacient potions


abortifacient is a drug or device used to cause abortion

Awesome research thanks!


I find this Galatians passage particularly interesting with this abortion potion.

Amplified Bible Galatians 5:19-20

19Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency, 20Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger (ill temper), selfishness, divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies),


Your source says "The term is used in Micah 5:12 for some such material as drugs or herbs used superstitiously to produce magical effects."
The Micah 5 passage
12 I will destroy your witchcraft
and you will no longer cast spells.
So this would be a case of using an intoxicated state to do "magic"


Thank you for finding some commentaries that agree with our contention!

Originally posted by Lilitu
Well we can't have mentally imbalanced peeps using medications to cure or control their emotional problems. Why they might get their thinking and their lives on track and never see any need to indulge in the imaginary friend Christianity offers as a nostrum for all their woes.

Yeah Lilliputian, you busted us, were all believing in something we all KNOW doesn't exist and this thread isn't really about sorcery, it's just a ruse to keep up the facade of this HUGE Christian Conspiracy we are all in on. Every time someone like you thinks they have to remind us that he is an imaginary friend, we all crack up laughing till our sides split that you actually bought it enough to criticize it. HA HA HA HA Yeah,, like all those millions of Christians are all actually believing in the imaginary guy upstairs for real LOL!!!

C'mon,, why would anyone want to read a book thousands of years old having no pictures, on pages so thin they make better rolling papers then a good book bind material, in addition to choosing the kind of imaginary friend NONE of us really like to hang around with . I mean jeez we can't be ourselves with the one we all seemed to choose.

I personally would have one that isn't so uptight about getting high or holding me to some bogus standard of behavior that punishes for non compliance. I mean really,, you can't think we all would REALLY believe in something like that I mean to die for do you??

So don't concern yourself,, it's all a big hoax shhhhh mums the word.

Ummm ,, unless of course,, said imaginary friend wasn't a big conspiracy and actually introduced himself to us in such a way as for all of us to believe in it unequivocally. I mean I used to be like you,, thinking holy rollers were schizophrenic or ,, just stupid. I wasn't looking,, he just made it a point to mmmm introduce himself whether I liked it or not.

I mean,, we are all either in that big global conspiracy,, OR we are all mature adults, lucid and not on any sort of drugs but were all nuts and just happen to be nuts for old books and blowing Sundays to hang out with other fruitcakes like us,,


OR,, we know something,, you don't.

Either one you pick,,

I don't care

- Con












[edit on 10-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Astyanax


Somebody dreams up a halting, crippled runt of a conspiracy just so that they can preach on ATS that Jesus Say Drawgs Is Bad.

Yeah I saw that on your profile that you like doing drugs and apparently so, as you were high enough to say that you do them "intelligently"

I was gonna ask you how many days had you been up when you wrote that

There's a bit of eyewash about a mistranslation (no, not even that, a misinterpretation!), never clearly explained,

I think it is more likely it was never clearly "understood" but hey,, what would I know,, I don't do drugs at all much less as smart as you do them.

then nothing but dull adamantine bible-thumping, on and on for twenty pages. When somebody without an agenda comes in to make a point or asks a sensible question, their post just gets buried under another layer of over-chewed and regurgitated scripture.

This might seem kind of mundane seeing how I arrived at this conclusion without the aid of "drawgs" but,, when a thread is sad and nothing but regurgitated crap,, ya know what I do??

I find another thread. Here is another factoid,, if I don't like a topic that has lots of fanfare by others who do and say a lot of the kind of things you call regurgitated,, I don't wander in to them. I see you don't like 911 threads, so if I were you,, I would not venture into threads that have this number "911" anywhere in the title. Might find you won't have as much to dislike.

And now here come the very last of the unreconstructed, their state of denial blazoned on their shields -- in triplicate, no less.

Why, oh why, is this pious gallimaufry taking up server space on ATS?

Well I can see already why you do drugs but only intelligently or was it wisely? Well what ever it was,, I guess I would have to be on them too if I am ever to understand that last part of your post.

- Con

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[edit on 11-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

All right how about one of you Wizards or Sorcerer's come up with a spell or potion to keep this thread on track and leave personal comments at the gates.



Stay on Topic please.

I was admitted to a mental hospital sometime ago, and what I believe was the Holy Spirit warned me not to take the medicine they prescribed me, I had only taken something like aspirin before so I kindof shook off the warning and took it anyway, the warning didn't make sense. Plus I figured they would just strap me down and administer it anyway against my will. Anyway it was just a few days later when I started hearing voices in my head, evil voices, telling me to do bad things, like really bad things. Even though I kept saying no these voices kept on and on and on about doing this or that. So I offered to pacific the voices by doing something small like stealing a stop sign off the street and that did seem to pacify the voices. Anyway, I decided to get off that medicine immediately, at one point I lay in fear all night unable to sleep which I found out my mom had the same experience. I felt utterly depressed for several months. Anyway I heard a sermon sometime later that socery is actually mind altering drugs and I think the whole physchology field is a work of the devil.

I don't know if it's been previously mentioned (I don't think so) but I think we should include the so-called natural, homeopathic remedies so rampantly enforced into society these days. Some of these remedies are old remedies used before the age of medicine and are of good use, but there are many that can cause great discomfort and even anguish.

It's encumbant upon us all to use all medicines and remedies only for their intended purposes and remember not to over-medicate. It seems to me that this is where we start to run into problems.

There are so many medicines being used today and the over-prescription of antibiotics is one I can think of that has actually done more harm to society than was originally intended.

Everything has a good and a bad side - good use, bad use. We, as the consumers must know the difference. And I'm not sure we can always get the best advise from our doctors and those in the medical field.

So, the question becomes - who do we trust to find out?

Isn't it obvious; that the prescribing of behavior controlling drugs. To
what, half or more of U.S. children, is a bad thing. A sign of the degeneration of our society! It doesn't have to be mentioned in the Bible.
For common sense to tell us that.
Is it all a conspiracy to keep the population; dumbed down, under control
and useful slaves for the system. I would speculate it is.

[edit on 1-4-2008 by Howie47]