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Does the way you die affect what happens after?

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posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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Do you guys think that the way you die (being murdered, accidentally killed, natural causes, etc.) affects what happens to you after death? I guess this answer heavily depends on your personal afterlife beliefs, but i'd still like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Personally, I think IF anything were to be affected in the afterlife, it would be determined by your frame of mind at the time of death.




posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 06:33 PM
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That's a good queston. It made me think, if you die by getting your head cut off, would you have no head in the afterlife? I don't personally believe in an afterlife, but I know if there is one, I want a head.



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 06:41 PM
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good question


I definitely think that the circumstances involving a particular death is related to what happens to that individual's afterlife.

If the death is sudden, totally unexpected, (like murder) it would explain at least to me, why some people come back as ghosts. i feel that some spirits do remain in some form because they feel they have something to complete or still have attachments to the mortal world. This would explain hauntings of people or places.

Most elderly spirits or those that die from natural illness visit us in our dreams, they usually come just to say hello or pass on a message, but I haven't encountered any old ghosts hauntings. I think they are more prepared for death and whatever the afterlife holds for them.



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 06:51 PM
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If the death is sudden, totally unexpected, (like murder) it would explain at least to me, why some people come back as ghosts. i feel that some spirits do remain in some form because they feel they have something to complete or still have attachments to the mortal world.


Hmm...if it's unexpected, maybe that's why they're still attached to this world. Since they didn't really have the chance to accept that they're going to die/pass on.



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 07:04 PM
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Good question, actually one I have been thinking about as well.

I think if you commit suicide your "afterlife" experience will be different then if you were to die by accident.

As for preparing for death in case of unavoidable, accidental death ie a plane crash etc. I think there just might be some sort of "left over" effect that could be conducive to becoming a ghost.

And as for natural death. I am not sure. I have no clue what might happen at the "end". When your on your death bed and you "give up" allowing yourself to pass on. Its really quite scary to think what happens at that point. Do you just drift into an unconciouse (spelling ?) like state of sleep, with no dreams and never to awake.

Odd but who knows, we will all have to face it one day. And that simple fact is enough for me to preserve my life anyway I can.



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 07:38 PM
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I think if you commit suicide your "afterlife" experience will be different then if you were to die by accident.


Why do you think that?

Come to think of it...I'd say that the way you die doesn't really change anything...

Let's say...

your lying on your deathbed with a plug you can pull to end life support. If you pull it, it would be considered suicide. If the power (and backup power) in the hospital goes out, your death would be considered accidental. If some random guy walks in and pulls the plug it would be considered murder. You die the same way, what universal difference does it make to anyone how it happened?

Again, I'd say it depends on your frame of mind...as in you either accepting death, or not being ready for it.

Just my 2 cents.



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 07:41 PM
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I dont think it matters how you die, when you die you just go somewhere else. Where I dont know. I dont even know if how you lived matters either but I do believe you move on.



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 11:13 PM
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If your death was not written in the 'script' or you die underwater then your soul cannot be retracted or recovered. It becomes a small mass of electric energy which can manifest itself as 'noise' or 'apparitions' and will stay generally in the same place as the death occured.



posted on Feb, 18 2004 @ 11:25 PM
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Although I am not qualified to answer this question, since I haven't died yet, but so is everyone else around here.

My personal thought is that the way you die doesn't matter, because after you die you change into nothing, therefore it doesn't matter, accident or murder, you become nothing at the end.

Explanation for Ghost type sigthings : There are numerous

1. Hallucination.
2. Belief that Ghosts exist because of religon.
3. Unexplainable things by the 21st century man.
etc.



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 02:33 AM
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I believe it definately depends on how you die. I don't know as far as the difference between say natural death, accident, or suicids. But I think there is a realization factor - You have to know your shell is dying.

Many believe the pineal gland releases chemicals in the brain that allows the spirit to enter & leave your shell. Another words sometime after conception some say 6 weeks etc. the pineal gland releases chemicals and allows a spirit to enter and likewise when the body dies it releases chemicals to allow the spirit to leave.

Thus if you were in an accident where you were going to have a body death where you bleed to death in a couple minutes I think you would be okay as far as the spirit being able to leave properly. Maybe though if you didn't realize you were dying in time or a bullet damaged your pineal gland such that it couldn't realease those chemicals - you might be stuck roaming the earth as a ghost.

The reason I believe this has some merit is because I've had some bad accidents & during those times when I get the life reviews I think that may be some kind of a preparation for departure. ON one occasion I actually saw my shell from a distance above & then went back.

I guess we'll know the answers sooner or later.




[Edited on 19-2-2004 by outsider]



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 09:26 AM
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If there is something after death, I would very much think that the way that the state of mind that you are in during death affects it. I would like to think that I would accept death as just another chain in the cycle, but of course you never know until it happens.



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by anjeeeee
Do you guys think that the way you die (being murdered, accidentally killed, natural causes, etc.) affects what happens to you after death? I guess this answer heavily depends on your personal afterlife beliefs, but i'd still like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Personally, I think IF anything were to be affected in the afterlife, it would be determined by your frame of mind at the time of death.


I think the way you die affects your "next phase" so to speak. Such as dying wrongfully can create ghosts, in my opinion. Or not believing one is dead, and becoming a ghost.

It makes me wonder what happens to newborns or children when they die. The energy that drives us must go somewhere...



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter

Originally posted by anjeeeee
Do you guys think that the way you die (being murdered, accidentally killed, natural causes, etc.) affects what happens to you after death? I guess this answer heavily depends on your personal afterlife beliefs, but i'd still like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Personally, I think IF anything were to be affected in the afterlife, it would be determined by your frame of mind at the time of death.


I think the way you die affects your "next phase" so to speak. Such as dying wrongfully can create ghosts, in my opinion. Or not believing one is dead, and becoming a ghost.

It makes me wonder what happens to newborns or children when they die. The energy that drives us must go somewhere...


I guess that the real question is: Does the spirit become so incorporated with the body that it has trouble letting go because it has become so contitioned to believe that it needs the body?



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Jonna

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter

Originally posted by anjeeeee
Do you guys think that the way you die (being murdered, accidentally killed, natural causes, etc.) affects what happens to you after death? I guess this answer heavily depends on your personal afterlife beliefs, but i'd still like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Personally, I think IF anything were to be affected in the afterlife, it would be determined by your frame of mind at the time of death.


I think the way you die affects your "next phase" so to speak. Such as dying wrongfully can create ghosts, in my opinion. Or not believing one is dead, and becoming a ghost.

It makes me wonder what happens to newborns or children when they die. The energy that drives us must go somewhere...


I guess that the real question is: Does the spirit become so incorporated with the body that it has trouble letting go because it has become so contitioned to believe that it needs the body?


I think that's a possibility. But if you start getting into talk like that, then comes the argument that there is no soul, just the body. Why else would one of our most powerful natural instincts be to survive? If there was a soul, why would the body be so desperate to survive? But anyways...



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 01:15 PM
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IMO, Life is a learning phase thats why we try to stay alive as long as we can,If we knew for a fact that when we died we all go on to better things,heck why not throw urself off a building now?



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by Merkeva
IMO, Life is a learning phase thats why we try to stay alive as long as we can,If we knew for a fact that when we died we all go on to better things,heck why not throw urself off a building now?


Maybe that's the motivation for some people trying to find these types of answers
It's just pretty much impossible to figure out what happens to us with the technology we have...i'm sure in the future we'll know exactly what physically happens when we die, which will give us a better view on the spiritual part of it all, if there is one at all.



posted on Feb, 19 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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No the bodie are youst another hardware.
hardware that got memory, senses and stuff.
WE only using the body until it dies.
when we are back in the Other world(maby the world we think is real)?



posted on Feb, 20 2004 @ 02:18 AM
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If you are killed by the drow, you come back as a badger


Descent into the Depths of the Earth

You have to read the book to see what I'm talking about



posted on Feb, 22 2004 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by anjeeeee
Do you guys think that the way you die (being murdered, accidentally killed, natural causes, etc.) affects what happens to you after death? I guess this answer heavily depends on your personal afterlife beliefs, but i'd still like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Personally, I think IF anything were to be affected in the afterlife, it would be determined by your frame of mind at the time of death.


Suicide doese seem to have a great effect on the aftermath of death. But other than that - figuring the person isn't resistant -



posted on Feb, 23 2004 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by AngelaLadyS


Suicide doese seem to have a great effect on the aftermath of death. But other than that - figuring the person isn't resistant -


How so? I don't see how it would. If I accept death, I don't see what would change if I died 'naturally' in comparison to killing myself.



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