Ok, ok, ok! I am SICK and TIRED of hearing all the namby-pamby, glossed over, feel good documentaries. It seems that our culture is bent on just glossing over the problem. So, in my usual style, lets reveiw the problem first.
Ok, here we go. AIDS reared its ugly head in Africa, at an unknown date. It is transferred through sex and blood exchange. There is one theory that the disease was originally simian in nature, and was transferred to humans through.... less than "kosher" methods. Once spread to people, our rampant desire to screw every person that attracts us worked to spread the disease across continents. Soon, NO one was safe. A high ranking CEO would visit a whore, get infected, infect his wife, and his wife would pass it on to their kids.
We can all agree that AIDS is a terrible scourge, affecting mostly heterosexuals in the eastern and southern hemisphers, and stricken homosexuals in the western world. It has killed millions of people and there were enough names to stitch into a quilt that stretched the length of the Washington Mall.

HOWEVER! We STILL blatantly ignore the basic problem. When presented with a raging disease, we are presented with Two choices. Create a cure for the disease, or corner and eradicate it. Smallpox was destroyed through the latter method. Now we are faced with AIDS. It is different from every other plague because it questions our moral and ethical standing. Our culture has lost almost ALL self control when it comes to our "Sex lives." We are no longer content to be with ONE woman or man, and possible raise a family. We are consumed with lust, and the liberal "Feel-good" propoganda has basically said "SCREW the old, stifling views. Go ahead. Sleep with the secretary, the nurse, your girlfriend, and you know what? While you're at it, you might as well sleep with them all at the same time."
Now, lets all remember HOW AIDS is spread. Through sex. Yes, i know, it is also spread through infected blood transfusion. But this is the exception. NOT the norm. Condoms have not helped. If anything, they made it worse. Now, people believed a thin, filmy piece of rubber would protect them. It did not.
BUT! There IS one way to stop AIDS. ONE PROVEN and EFFECTIVE method. Abstinance. I'm willing to guess that several of you are rolling your eyes at hearing this hated word, but it is the only way that works. Deal with it.

Whether you like it or not, if YOU do not have sex until you are married, and then you NEVER cheat on your spouse, and if your SPOUSE does not have sex until you are married, and maintains the same fidelity, the odds of either of you getting ANY STD is virtually nill.
The cases where AIDS is contracted in ways besides sex are incredibly rare. The problem is that humans as a race would rather make a patch to their problems than actually change their lifestyles.

In reality, the way to stop AIDS is painfully simple, and staring us all in the face. Personally, as a Christian, i believe this disease is from God. We need to learn self-control, something that is woefully lacking among us today.

You want to cure AIDS? Stop sleeping around. Stop sharing drug needles, and help other countries so women do not have to rely on selling their bodies.

The solution is simple. Putting it into action is not.

This may be slightly off topic. I wonder how much disinformation there really is about AIDS? Are we really being told the truth?

For example, years ago I heard it was VERY difficult for men to catch AIDS from women, however it was very easy for women to catch AIDS from men (and of course easy for men to catch AIDS from other men.)

This was passed on to me by more than one MD, including a very close friend. You can't find this info anywhere on the web. Maybe they have discovered it isn't true. Maybe it has been conveniently omitted from public discussion because it is true, but doesn't really work the problem.

If that is true (and I can understand why misinformation would be widely spread based upon this, for the safety of women) we have basically been duped -- for our own safety -- people would claim.

If that is false, then I should probably totally retract this post, because even suggesting this idea would be dangerous. (I definitely wouldn't suggest it anywhere else except ATS, and then only with the qualifier that people should TAKE NO CHANCES!)

So, is the truth really known about AIDS? I am suspicious.

Edit: One reason I am suspicious is that the stigma associated with male homosexual behavior might cause the statistics to be skewed, i.e. men might claim they caught AIDS from their female partner rather than come out of the closet. That doesn't serve anyone, does it?


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Crusader of Truth I am glad your God is killing millions and millions to teach us the wisdom of self-control. Perhaps i'll start going to Church.

What do you and your benevolent God feel about rape being a more primary contributor to this pandemic? Or is this to teach the rapists self-control too?

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*oops, double post. please delete

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Originally posted by Crusader of Truth

BUT! There IS one way to stop AIDS. ONE PROVEN and EFFECTIVE method. Abstinance. I'm willing to guess that several of you are rolling your eyes at hearing this hated word, but it is the only way that works. Deal with it.

Maybe a solution, but it's unworkable and unrealistic. Your argument is basically that if you don't abstain, HIV/AIDS is a punishement from your god.

What about Cancer? Diabetes? Obesity? Does your god use those diseases as punishment too?

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

The so called 'anti-body' given to AIDS patients called AZT according to many deteriorates the DNA over time. Over the time you are taking this conditions continue to get worse. So the secret to staying healthy, is to not get treated.

AIDS is genocide, nothing more.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
So the secret to staying healthy, is to not get treated.

Do you think this is true for all AIDS treatments? Your words suggest so.

I'm not an expert on this, but this is the way it was explained to me.

The HIV virus has passed through many generations usually not affecting the immune system, kind of like when you catch a cold you become immune. There is no scientific evidence of the HIV Virus becoming isolated and turning into full blown AIDS causing a full break down of the immune system.

AZT has been under the microscope by many researchers who report that it is what is contributing to the deconstruction of DNA not AIDS. For all they are concerned AIDS doesn't even exist.

You know those nets Bush bought for Africa? I bet you they all die off in the next couple years. AIDS is murder as far as I can tell.

There is a book on this, I think its called "The AIDS" Myth, theres also some documentaries available, very dry I must warn you. I think thats why I haven't done to much research.

Furthermore, a study about homosexuals living in the SF area who had multiple sex partners (hundreds) showed a build up of hiv. Emphasis on hundreds.

From what I understand AIDS is based on HIV volume, which is subjective. Kind of like taking a piss test. There is no set number that determines if one has AIDS. When you take a piss test it is likely to show up that there is THC in your system, however you are not likely to fail unless it exceeds the amount allotted to determine whether or not you have been smoking pot.

With AIDS this is all subjective. They can almost just tell anybody they have AIDs just based on a bunch of numbers on a printout, which basically mean, nothing.....

Originally posted by Crusader of Truth
Abstinance...

Whether you like it or not, if YOU do not have sex until you are married, and then you NEVER cheat on your spouse, and if your SPOUSE does not have sex until you are married, and maintains the same fidelity, the odds of either of you getting ANY STD is virtually nill.

You're making the assumtion that everyone can get married and live happily ever after. Wouldn't it be sad if you waited around your whole life to get "married" and the right person never came along, and as a consequence you've never had sex? It would be great if we all had a special someone just waiting for us to find them, but this is the real world.

You can't assume that happiness is just yours for the taking, so why not have a girl empty you bag for you once in awhile?

Plus, what broad is going to marry you if you can't lay it down due to lack of experience?

Plus, this could cause people to marry prematurely and that can't be good. The only thing worse than not getting married would be to resent the person you did marry.

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
bag for you once in awhile?

Plus, what broad is going to marry you if you can't lay it down due to lack of experience?

Well I guess someone that shares the same mentality as the thread creator would be a good match heh.

Plus, this could cause people to marry prematurely and that can't be good. The only thing worse than not getting married would be to resent the person you did marry.

I agree emphatically with you on this. Marriage is such a great idea but nothing is worse then when it doesn't work out. People should do everything they can to get it to work. I think a big part of that is having sex, and living with each-other before marriage and all the other things shunned upon by traditional christian idealism's!

congratulations to the op for finally telling the truth. finally, someone has stopped beating around the bush, and threw all the facts out the window, and broke it down to a nice simple answer. thank you. thank you thank you thank you, for your completely ridiculous answer to the spreading of aids, and std's in general.

if you cant realize that what you typed is utterly ridiculous at best, than you sir should pray for your god to take you to another planet, where logic and rational are not a major part of society, or a part at all.

i love how people think marriage is somehow special. sorry, but its not really that special. in the sense that its somewhat of a cure all for alot of societies issues. all you will have is a society of young married couples, who want to get married because they cant fight their human urge to have sex, and please themselves through the act of sex, but dont want to do it outside of marriage in fear of the repercussions. but then again, getting married, and staying married is an easy task, and all those statistics about failed marriages is just propaganda and bull. hell, i dont need statistics, i just go to married couple houses, or listen to them when they talk behind their spouses back, or see what they say on the net, or here from a friend of a married couple. its not that getting married is wrong, but their is a reason its failing, and people are ignoring it. their is a reason for alot, and beyond just stating the blatantly obvious, i can back it up, but it would be a huge reply, or two to cover my thoughts on it. just saying something like, dont have sex, fight all urges, and wait until you get married, and problem solved, is beyond stupid, its about the equivalent of trying to swim with cinder blocks tied to your feet. yes, its that stupid.

thats your cure? abstinence until your married? are you $%^&*#$%^&#$% kidding me? how do you think you could force such a plan upon 6 billion people, and hundreds of different beliefs? oh, we should all be christian, and it would not make a difference. got ya. which christian, the fundamentalist, or those who claim christian, but kinda just live how they want, or those who take bits and pieces, ignoring the whole because they feel it does not apply to the times? etc... which one. whatev, just ranting.


im done, i wont contribute anymore to this thread, and i should have ignored it, but people like you, people who literally took time out their day to type something so stupid up, and then post it on the internet, just get me so frustrated. you are so far beyond, that it is just beyond me that you could think up such garbage, and without analyzing it to make sure it makes some type of logical or rational sense. instead, you just post it as a solid plan of action.

get out of here. just go.

and number two, for your info, aids is not some epidemic, if you take the whole, minus those infected, either in your state, country, the whole world even, you will see its a minority. a very tiny minority. not to say it should be ignored, but its not like cancer, or other diseases that ravage through mankind like there is no tomorrow.

but as i always like to end my post. thats just my opinion

Crusader of the truth, try living with it, before talking as if u know it all, and indeed have the answer, do that and watch ur perspective change to waking up each day and just trying to make it through in one piece that way u wont spend one moment of time even questioning it, and has for god, what right do you have to even bring him into this equation. U COPY that brother,

Originally posted by Crusader of Truth
You want to cure AIDS? Stop sleeping around. Stop sharing drug needles, and help other countries so women do not have to rely on selling their bodies.

Is AIDS really that much of an issue anymore? I understood that there was a brief period of mutation where the virus because extra dangerous, and now like most viruses (the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918, for instance) it has further mutated to a less dangerous form. Also, the risk of transmission for heterosexual non-drug users has finally been acknowledged to be quite low.

So at the moment, the risk is determined to be acceptable by most people. Variant sex practices have always had risks -- pregnancy, disease, getting shot by an angry spouse, etc. It's just another risk. And I would rather leave it up to the Africans to choose to continue their blood scarification rituals or not.

Well well well. i pricked a nerve. Several to be exact. I am smelling personalities ranging from thoughtful and contemplative, to angry atheist, to redneck, to passionate, and all the way to ignorant.

First, i have had the typical crutch of "So what? Are you accusing raped women and their children of being irresponsible too? What kind of heartless *&%@$ are you!?!" Well, first of all, you are right. it is NOT their fault they have AIDS. However, where did the rapist get it? The problem with so many is that they refuse to go to the ROOT of the problem. They wine and complain, and then accuse others of being insensitive when the truth is served. Besides, if the cure for AIDS WAS developed, it cost would be insanely high, and it would be years before it got past the rich homosexuals in the western world.

As for "My God" striking dead those who do not blindly fall in line with his over-strict ideology, that is not what I am saying. I am trying to phrase that as a question. Could our lack of maturity and self-control be the cause? If you don't believe in God, well, i really don't care. That is YOUR issue.

As for repeated attacks on the logic of abstinence, and one comment urging me to "go to a different planet, where society doesn't use logic," i think the cold, razor logic of my proposal is too much for people to handle. It is FAR from illogical. I will grant that i am approaching this from a incredibly unfeeling, unemotional perspective, but, if you want to know how to put a halt to AIDS.....
Abstinence works. Now, of course, this obviously screws with several of your lifestyles, although, i think it seems that a few of you are angry in general because you haven't been able to get laid by anyone you weren't paying. And, like it or not, condoms do NOT prevent STDs. they are meant to keep people from getting pregnant. We have Clinton to thank for the rumor that condoms keep you safe from AIDS.
As for the guy who believes AIDS is an American bioweapon.... You are insane. please see a Doctor.

Ok, now, i have revised my original statement. Maybe THIS will "fit into you lives."
You want to put a halt to AIDS? Abstain until marriage, and encourage others to do the same.
You want to save YOURSELF from getting AIDS? Don't have sex with slutty people.

That is all i have to say on the subject