Originally posted by VelvetSplash

What are these sources (or sauces, since it's a cocktail)?

[edit on 27-2-2008 by VelvetSplash]

A) I've already listed two sources for my theory. No, they cannot be proven, hence the term "theory". It would benefit you to read the whole thread before commenting next time around.

Originally posted by VelvetSplash

I do remember a time, in the not too distant past, when ATS was a forum for more than writing bad sci-fi synopsis.

[edit on 27-2-2008 by VelvetSplash]

B) Much of the info. on ATS if still very fact based and sourced. The knowledge base here is impressive to say the least. If you are dissatisfied with this forum, maybe its not the place for you.

Originally posted by VisionQuest
But if you're going to disagree, at least contribute your reasons why.

I disagree because it reads like a bunch of made up stuff.

You keep writing theory but don't explain how you came to the theory with anything but other people's theories. Explain how their ideas, in your mind, lead you to formulate your opening post. Or, explain how you decided to troll the forum with some made up stuff that sounds kinda' like all the other stuff you've been reading.

Originally posted by VisionQuest
If you are dissatisfied with this forum, maybe its not the place for you.

Really....you've been registered all of two days? And you're a moderator at heart, right?

We are all made of energy... so anything is possible. IMHO we will gradually move into a higher self. It won't be on Dec. 21, 2012. That is merely a date. If our sun aligns with the galactic center it could mean anything. I do believe we were somehow changed by Aliens maybe hundreds of thousands of years ago. Its also possible that the 2012 date means we are close to a pole shift which may end most of the human life here on Earth. There are many videos out there all with different theories. I believe the Earth has been inhabited many times and a pole shift is the most likely cause of doom. The pyramids appear to be a sign of past civilizations. While they are claimed to be about <6000 yrs old, the sphinx has water erosion which hasn't happened in more than 12,000 yrs. Built with technology that cannot be duplicated even now.

Our future selves contact us regularly through synchronicities.

Just as our futures have not been written, our pasts can be influenced as well.

Whether it be regret, anger, gladness or hope -- emotion is the conduit for influencing one's timeline. The future, from what I can tell, is a very emotional time, and we, through necessity, are waking ourselves up.

If you can harness your emotion and focus now, you can already do this. However from this point in time, we need to focus all our attention on the very near future. Telling yourself and others to 'look on the bright side' isn't just an annoying cliche, it's our salvation.

We've been living long enough in a 'plug and play' society, it's now time to un-plug and pray, i.e. give the media the boot, and meditate on positive outcomes with absolutely no acknowledgment of the negative.

The world is ending only if you believe it is.

There wont be evidence until 2012- if it happens it happens, if it doesn't no big deal...People are always evolving into good or worse people...I believe a transition will take place or something of significant value will but theory after theory about 2012 really makes it seem crazy to people because they lack belief or are far too involved in religion to look outside of it. Without a doubt not all theories seem logical or probable but at least there is hope. Hope gives strength and motivation to keep going. The idea shouldn't be totally accepted but it shouldn't be thrown into a closet either. Just keep an open mind is the point I'm trying to get across. You never know in this world what will happen one minute to the next. And we know ABSOLUTELY nothing about the spiritual connection with the soul and who we truly are.

If it brings anything- lets hope its clarity about who we are, where we came from, who created us, and why we are here. Not to mention why we didn't know any of this information before...

That will solve a huge problem on this planet- differences (religion, race, outlook on life, etc.)

Peace

what calender are you using, the mayans or the gregorian? the calender we use today is the gregorian which wasnt introduced until 1563 and was the first to add a leap year. so how can you follow the calender we use today when its the mayans calender which tells us about 2012. how do we really know 2012 is 2012? did the mayans have leap years? have you taken that into account?

just an observation, but I think the reason so many people get confused about the 2012 subject is because it is a spiritual situation.
material views on it are of course not going to make sense or have much scientific data.(even though there is: I ching and novelty theory is a darn good example)
spirituality does not exclude the material realm in its understandings, so why is it that the material realm constantly ignores the spiritual? they are one in the same, and to take one without the other, will get you nowhere in understanding 2012. or much else for that matter. (well except matter, and thats the limit!) lol
Im not trying to make a defense for not having evidence, there is plenty of evidence as to how and what an enlightened being is, so why do we discredit that fact when analyzing the material world? should we take any advice about either material or spiritual world from someone who does not understand both?
its all so relative to the understanding we limit ourselves to at any given moment,

I just hope for people to understand that only they can find the truth, and no one else can show it to them.
Everyone feels justified in their beliefs, I think if we fail to see how another person justifies themselves, we fail to see how we justify our own beliefs.
its easy to see this when you really I mean REALLY examine how your thought process works, how you catalog and remember, how you decide anything.
how you can accept everyones opinion without letting it bother you; how you can love and accept all beings and happenings equally, understanding the divine placement of the many different levels of understanding and ignorance which paint the entire picture.
you cant have one without the other. good makes bad, love makes hate, birth makes death, you simply cannot have one without the other;
just like understanding the material and the spiritual.

I just think a lot of people are afraid that embracing spirituality means giving into insanity.
at first, it may seem like that, but how will you know unless you embrace that other side of the fence?
its the field of dreams baby, if you build it, they will come....

May I say, the greatest Scientific and Mathematical theories was born out of Spiritual minds. Those who think Albert Einstein wasn't Spiritual better think long and hard (or research).

To the OP, it is a wasted effort trying to make sense of 2012 to those that brush off Spirituality. The whole point of it is our evolution of Consciousness, trying to understand what that date is exactly cannot be done because we don't have the level of awareness to do so, but we can be aware of the situation.

I find it funny that sooooooo many people on this site and others like it refuse to believe anything that the Bible says, but they find it very easy to believe in UFOs and the Illuminati, and so many other things that can't be proven. The reason I say this is because I've seen responses on this thread and other threads about 2012 and Nibiru and planet X where the people that believe so much in these things have been all over this site downing the Christian faith and making fun of us for believing in something that has not been proven. Well I say to those people that the Bible has not been disproven either. That said,,,, I am a Christian and I can honestly admit that I don't know what to believe as far as 2012 and Nibiru goes. I honestly don't know what to believe about UFOs or aliens. If there are aliens and UFOs and Planet Xs then why are all of the photos and videos out of focus and far off in the distance. I mean seriously, we are less than four years from 2012, if there really is this huge plant or brown dwarf or whatever quickly approaching us, why can't we get a decent shot of it? There are a few billion people on this planet, there is a camera on just about every cell phone now, we have advanced technologicly speaking so much over the past 20 years that someone should get a decent shot of a UFO or something. We have a pissload of satellites and telescopes in space and the only shot of this Nibiru is a fuzzy red smear ? I am very open minded to the ideas but it is getting harder and harder to put much faith in these things with all of the bullcrap hoaxes and fuzzy out of focus pics and vids. Give me something concrete. Noone that supposedly has been abducted has had any proof whatsoever. I mean seriously if your gonna get abducted,,,, grab the alien's nuts or something so you have proof it happened. Now as a Christian, I choose to believe in something that I cannot see or touch or hear. That takes faith, I understand that, but I'm willing to go beyond what I believe and open my mind but I need something besides fuzzy pics and wacked out stories of alien butt probing.

Yo,

Let me make a more realistic approach to the OP's idea.

Some of us may ascend, while others may stay ignorant, and if we don't ascend into some new dimension, lose our physical bodies and all that, but just have a conciousness awakening to the point where we BIOLOGICALLY and SPIRITALLY / MENTALLY ADVANCE to a level where the way the 'ascenders' lifestyle becomes so completely detached and utterly different and incompatible with the lifestyle of the ignorant non-ascenders, who will be the majority! best believe it.

So in a sense we already live like this. Western Civ's .. we alll get together and protect each other while the rest of the world live tribally and brutally and like bush men, and in famines and all that. Theres other Civ's besides Western that are advanced, but you know what I mean.

So whats it gonna REALLY be? Maybe a bunch of elite, so-called ascenders, barracading themselves into elite living places of an advanced nature, and try to play God while they use their advanced tech and intelligence to "act in the best interests of the planet and mankind". An intelligence mandate, meaning a giant leap of intelligence between two groups always ends up in the smarter group controlling the dumber or less advanced one. Actually, this is already happening too, with World Government.

The only thing is, something catastrophic will need to happen if the elite capitalist types dont want global socialism, because its the only system which will work for all human kind. Otherwise people suffer at others' expense, aka nationalist/capitalist, most of western civilization. The indians and chinese are so numerous and advancing so much, if gas is barely affordable now, whats it gonna be like when another half billion humans are in on the market? Same for electricity to your home, anything really. This capitalist surrounding we live in cannot exist on a global level, it is technically impossible. Theres not enough resource for some to indulge while others suffer without. If all is distributed equally, we'd all get enough of what we NEED .. not like we live now. It could be a green global socialist system. My only hope is that the elite ascenders decide to do good and go this route (yes im advocating a form of world government, sectarian at that!), its our only hope. Otherwise, theyll take the easy way out, cause global catastrophes, then live in their smaller, psuedo-utopian societies seperate from the survivors of the calamities, aka nukes aka .. meteor .. whatever.

[edit on 2/27/2008 by runetang]

I disagree.

I think 2012 will be the year unicorns return to Earth and impale us for being naughty to their blessed land.

I can't prove it, but, it's true.

I do agree with you that sightings are increasing at an alarming rate, but I don't know how you have come up with such specific details. I undertand that it's just a theory but c'mon.

[edit on 27-2-2008 by The_G_Man]