Mojo, none of those events deal with a change in consciousness, which are what these 5th nights events are based on, I'm not suiting anything for argument and find no reason to, but if you'd like to comment on the other aspects of my last post I would most appreciate it

[edit on 29-2-2008 by xnibirux]

Originally posted by xnibirux
Mojo, none of those events deal with a change in consciousness, which are what these 5th nights events are based on, I'm not suiting anything for argument and find no reason to, but if you'd like to comment on the other aspects of my last post I would most appreciate it

[edit on 29-2-2008 by xnibirux]

Of course they do.

The Mt Toba eruption nearly wiped us out, you think that had a lesser effect on our "consciousness" than the fall of the Roman Empire?

The Vredefort Dome meteor impact had a huge influence "with a change of consciousness" if you want to put it that way. If the impact had of not occured and increased the Earths oxygen level there may very well have been no multicellular life possible, that means us and our "consciousness" would never had existed.

Originally posted by fastwalker23
I have decided that humans here think way too much and try to show everyone else how smart they are...why? Who are you competing against in the name of what you think fact and truth is?

Have you ever been wrong?

No I wasnt speaking about the poster. I was speaking about some of the repliers

Oh we think too much do we, hell, cant have that, lets all be sheep and tell everyone how right they are and slap them on the back. Baa Baa.
Its a discussion forum dude, if you only want people to agree with you go and start a myspace account.

Originally posted by fastwalker23

Never said lay down and be ruled. I simply said you people think way too much and when it comes down to the end of it all, your discussions merely add up to wanting to be the king of the hill called "I am right".

[edit on 1-3-2008 by fastwalker23]

Actually it has nothing at all to do with wanting to be right, from my perspective its about pointing out obvious flaws in an argument.
Ive been wrong on here plenty of times and will freely admit it.

"your discussions merely add up to wanting to be the king of the hill called "I am right".

So we shouldnt bother discussing anything then or apparently we are stroking our ego's. What a crock. Wouldnt be much for anyone to read around here if we all adhered to your warped logic.



[edit on 1/3/08 by mojo4sale]

On the Fifth Day and Fifth Night of every cycle is the emergence of the developing Consciousness over the persistent one. We are in the Galactic Cycle (the name of the cycle does not have anything to do with the Milky Way) in which Ethics is the developing frame of Consciousness and Power is the persistent one.

One notable event was the Great Depression in 1929. Although it happened before the Fifth Night (Planetary Cycle) the worst year for it, consequently began when the energies of the Fifth Night (1932-52) was dominant.

The Fifth Night (Nov. 07-Nov. 08) in which we now embody represents the fall of Power structures that govern us all. The rapid Economic meltdown and the rising of oil and food prices is the start of it all.

Furthermore, it is also important to note that the Mayan Calendar is a tracking tool for all Creation and the evolution of Consciousness, and does not concern any type of alignment here in the Physical world.

Well said Moegli, I am glad to see that someone has shown interest in the subject rather than skepticism. Thanks

[edit on 2-3-2008 by xnibirux]

To the OP, as others have stated. We do not know when the tower of Babel was destroyed. We do not know if the dinosaurs were killed by an asteroid, its only a theory as to their demise, let alone exactly when it happened. Rome as far as I can tell never really ended, it simply slowly gave over its power to the Roman Catholic Church under Justinian, but emperors continued after him as well (though some consider him to be the last true emperor of the Old Roman Republic). Also the baktun’s of the Mayan Calendar do not get shorter, they are always of a fixed amount of time which repeatedly recycles. The Mayans believed that everything occurred in cycles and the idea that a cycle is getting shorter goes against their very system of belief as it would eventually cease to occur.

It sounds like you are reading someone’s new age tripe, I would not give it a second thought as it does not hold up to scrutiny.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
ATS was once the most respected alternative discussion site on the Internet because of the depth of knowledge and critical thinking applied to every topic, but the volume of low quality, poorly researched 'fantasy' posts has overwhelmed any intelligent discussion and what's left looks just like the sites we eclipsed years ago.

I have not read truer words on here in quite some time.
Exactly the way I feel over the last few months.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
A baktun lasts 395 years, has always lasted 395 years and always will last 395 years. We haven't even reached the 13th Baktun of the Mayan calendar yet and there are 20 in a full cycle. Please do some real research on the subject.

THANK YOU!! i allways see people speaking of the "Mayan calender" when they are not, and it aggravates me..........most of the time they're not even close......

@OP

I thank you for your theory, but next time please try to do a little research.

Originally posted by Infadel

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
A baktun lasts 395 years, has always lasted 395 years and always will last 395 years. We haven't even reached the 13th Baktun of the Mayan calendar yet and there are 20 in a full cycle. Please do some real research on the subject.

THANK YOU!! i allways see people speaking of the "Mayan calender" when they are not, and it aggravates me..........most of the time they're not even close......

@OP

I thank you for your theory, but next time please try to do a little research.

Ok so a baktun is 395 years, but this fact will not stop the energies of Venus from opening our heart chakras in the first weeks of March. These energies are just the beginning of our changing conciousness from power to integrity

[edit on 2-3-2008 by xnibirux]

Originally posted by The Cyfre
I've done a lot of research into the Mayan Long Count Calendar and i have to say i've never heard of any of this.

You've missed out on all the ...err... 'fun'. It's been going on for quite awhile and will continue to build till 2012 -- and then (as with the Nostradamus 1999 prophecy and the Y2K disaster prophecies) will die out until someone manages to say "wait! They actually meant the JEWISH calendar (or Japanese calendar or any other counting method to make a Looming disaster.)

I didn't get my information from one YouTube video, i got my information from a number of different sources that i would imagine are all more reputable than a video.

No doubt. The visual medium tends to override logic circuits by adding an emotional dimension to the appeal. When presented by a dynamic speaker, many people will go along with the most extraordinary stuff.

This has always been a problem with humans.

A baktun is a measurement of time. Measurements of time do not change. The Mayans didn't know anything about any dinosaurs, and any stories there may have been about a great cleansing were likely just that; stories.

Correct on all accounts. Nor did they believe in a "new age" type of "transformation." The afterlife was a pretty dismal affair, too.

I'm honestly getting tired of people trying to use the Mayan culture to justify this end of days nonsense. I mean, there isn't even any documentation in Mayan texts that mention any of this.

Very true. What's even sadder from an anthropological standpoint is that after the 80's, a number of "new age" travelers went down to the area in search of mystical places and experiences. Poor peasants took advantage of this and to please the customers, often incorporated things that weren't true. We see this in the latest round of "shamanistic initiation tourism"into the indigenous areas. It takes years to train a shaman, but to make the tourists happy they do a little ceremony and the tourist becomes an "authentic shaman" after a nice little head trip.

Most of the documents were destroyed by the Spaniards, with the exception of the monk-scholar transcriptions called Codexes. Today there are a few "keepers of time" who live among the Mayas and are not part of the rising "2012 cult" that has emerged in these people (as tourists come in.) The 2012 cults strip away much of what was left... there's been some recent work done on the original time keepers, but it's difficult because they're not eager to give away secrets.

Of course, you can pretty much dismiss their predictive powers by the fact that they failed to predict the fall of their own civilization and that it didn't happen during a specific cycle.

(also, the dinosaurs didn't die out in 10 years or 100 years but rather took a couple of thousand years to finish dying out. The meteor hit started up the Deccan Traps, which certainly did as much as the meteor to continue the Great Extinction.)

Whether you guys like it or not, integrity will override power within a months time, you will see. Just as cannibalism has become a thing of the past for humanity, economic slavery will take that same road. Check for the signs they are all around you, you just refuse to look.

[edit on 7-3-2008 by xnibirux]

When that doesn't happen, what will be the excuse then. "Oh, I interpreted the date wrong, it's when the moon is in the second house and Jupiter's aligned with Mars".

My bad, that't from the song Age of Aquarius.

cormac

Go ahead and laugh . I would expect nothing less from people like you; people who do not look at the world around them enough to realize that something detrimental to humanity is quickly coming to an end.