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This time, I'm staring at a couple of desks strewn with the machines familiar to shoppers everywhere. But these Chip and PIN machines are different, they've been prised open to reveal their insides.
Some have wires and oscilloscopes attached. It's electronic open heart surgery.
Almost as soon as Steven Murdoch and Saar Drimer start talking, the image in my mind's eye, is of a similar room, perhaps a bit better equipped.
Similar figures hunched over similar desks. Not these two Cambridge researchers though, but the bad guys. They're just as bright, similarly educated, about the same age - but on the other side.