Judge Approves "Big Brother" lawsuit against NBC's Predator

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Man....you guys dont still think im supporting child abuse right?
I hope i got that through to you.....because i dont support it.

Look dude....actus reus and mens reus ( i think thats how you spell it?) have to be combined in order to create a resultant harm and then we have a crime that is punishable by law. Along the very years that we call our existence that definition has been changed to include though crimes and crimes against society that have no real harm like smoking marijuana in my pajamas before bed time. Sexual deviance is rooted deeply in history but was never characterized as abuse. The many deficiencies of our own society and how we view and teach love lead to a lot of our problems. Do i think these men should be punished or at least helped? Yes i do....should they be thrown into a federal prison? NO way.....unless they actually hurt a child and such. then justice takes care of itself....you know what real criminals do to child abusers in jail? HA! the ones who hurt children physically get theres my friend....dont worry about that.

GUICE2, Please answer the question at the end of this scenario.

My wife approaches and hires a hit-man to kill me. She fully understands that it is illegal and completely believes that this man is going to kill me in exchange for money. It turns out the hit-man is really an undercover cop who arrests her the next day and charges her with conspiracy to commit murder.

Do you think she should be released with no charges because he wasn't "really" a hit-man and she only "thought" I would be killed?


It is a simple "Yes" or "No" answer. Please elaborate or explain your answer, but answer.

[edit on 27-2-2008 by Lotiki]

Originally posted by GUICE2
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Man....you guys dont still think im supporting child abuse right?
I hope i got that through to you.....because i dont support it.

No one thinks you support child abuse, it just appears as thought you would put the rights of these sickos in front of an innocent child

Please answer the earlier question,

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And they make us answer these difficult questions with such difinitiveness when social difficiencies need to be reasoned and ironed out if they are to truly be abolished......im sorry guys.
Im done with this thread....life isnt that black and white.
Yes your wife should be released without any charges because she isnt a murderer....whether or not you were a bad husband is non of my business. If she took a knife and TRIED to kill you because she hates you....again, that is between you and her putting her in jail doesnt solve any crime or future crimes. WE have been incarcerating and executing people for years and our crime rates persist dont they? Such difficult questions that we seek difinitive answers to without asking why. Im not the bad guy here but i dont beleive that humans are inherently evil....there are always reason. There was a time when the law was governed by reason and now its goverened by money and black and white answers. How many of those cops beat their wives and never got caught? how many got to drunk and slapped around their kids? WE would never know would we? Because we trust authority as truth....so many social difficiencies to fix and no one wants to ask why. They just want to squash them as soon as they arise.


AGAIN: I DO NOT SUPPORT CHILD ABUSE OR CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO DONT ACUSE ME OF IT.


And i dont feel BAD for the pervs....or the victims because there werent any victims. Unless we are talking about a repeat offender there are no victims in that show other than the reasonable and rational law enforcement practices that should be in place.

Peace guys....argue amongst yourselves. I hope someone sees some kind of reasoning in what im saying here.


Burn them all if you want too....slippery slopes lead to deep waters man and soon there will be another witch hunt.

Originally posted by Lotiki
GUICE2, Please answer the question at the end of this scenario.

My wife approaches and hires a hit-man to kill me. She fully understands that it is illegal and completely believes that this man is going to kill me in exchange for money. It turns out the hit-man is really an undercover cop who arrests her the next day and charges her with conspiracy to commit murder.

Do you think she should be released with no charges because he wasn't "really" a hit-man and she only "thought" I would be killed?


It is a simple "Yes" or "No" answer. Please elaborate or explain your answer, but answer.

[edit on 27-2-2008 by Lotiki]

the answer is no......
im done with this.

So many people I support and enjoy following, have given their take on this thread.
This is not entrapment. I think that, even if it was for ratings, we should SHAME as many people who attempt to have this behavior.
There is nothing wrong with this type of "big Brother" activity. Isn't that a part of investigative journalism? This was a great Idea.
Now to share something I never thought I would.
I was abused as a child. By a group.
I will never forget.
I will never get over it.
No amount of counseling towards those people will take away the pain I have. It affects every relationship, friend or otherwise, in a negative way. I wish to God that this show had existed then.
I am a normal member of society now, but I have a list with one name on it.
You may not support the acts my friend, but I would say any means necessary. We do not shame or embarrass our criminals enough.

I am so confused.....
You think she should be released...

Originally posted by GUICE2

Yes your wife should be released without any charges because she isnt a murderer....

But then, 2 seconds later;

the answer is no......

Thank god your leaving, it may be easier to follow now.

I have noticed something else too. No-one who has sex with a child would call it "abuse". They think it is a perfectly natural thing to do and can't understand why other people can't understand. No where in this thread have you said you are against having sex with children, just against child abuse. The abusers dont see it as abuse. Just saying maybe you should be more clear, I dont want anyone to get the wrong idea...


[edit on 27-2-2008 by Lotiki]

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no i dont support sex with children.
if its specific semantics you want and you cant reason from what i have been saying through common sense then i will be specific.
I DONT NOT BELEIVE IN SEX WITH CHILDREN, I DO NOT APPROVE OF CHILD ABUSE, I WOULD NEVER TOUCH A CHILD OR ABUSE ONE......happy now?

Lotiki? I appreciate your sentiments, however I find that it is rude to accuse someone of something that nasty, ok? Now, I agree with a lot of what you say, and there are many on this thread I follow and agree with: That said, I also get what this cat is getting at. Please, lets keep this debate civil? Cheers all, carry on....

I don't watch a lot of commercial TV, but I did catch an episode of "...Predator". The most chilling arrestee was the one that not only brought condoms and beer, but also had duct tape, nylon cord, and ...pliers! The girl he was supposed to meet told him she was 12 and a virgin. (He explained that all that stuff was for work...even though the cord and duct tape were brand new and unopened).

Call me heartless, but I think the world's a much better place with a dead pedophile prosecutor. I think there was also a Rabbi who was to meet a 13 year old boy and a highschool girl's soccer coach who was to hook up with a 14 year old girl (he admitted that he has a 14 year old daughter). And every single one of them said they'd NEVER done anything like it before.

They aren't in the least bit innocent, they weren't entrapped and I hope they all get raped in jail

Ridiculous.

This man didn't kill himself because "To Catch A Predator" made him do it. They couldn't have made him do anything except face the facts and become totally accountable for his actions. This TV show didn't kill him, but his own guilt, embarrassment, and lack of gumption is what really killed this man. As he is sentencing men of his very same caliber to prison or worse, he is living above the law and committing the very same violations because "he can." He was a coward in life and a coward in death. All men preying on innocence should be exposed for who they really are and pseudo-political correctness should stay out of it.

Originally posted by Lotiki
GUICE2, Please answer the question at the end of this scenario.

My wife approaches and hires a hit-man to kill me. She fully understands that it is illegal and completely believes that this man is going to kill me in exchange for money. It turns out the hit-man is really an undercover cop who arrests her the next day and charges her with conspiracy to commit murder.

Do you think she should be released with no charges because he wasn't "really" a hit-man and she only "thought" I would be killed?

[edit on 27-2-2008 by Lotiki]

This doesnt fit. In the above scenario you have 3 parties involved whereas in the NBC case you only have 2 parties involved. Another factor the wife is actively going out and soliciting someone to kill her husband.

What I would really like to see is the entire transcrips that show the beginning of the conversation. I would like to know how the conversation got started and who said what. All you hear on dateline is a small portion of the conversation.

I don't know... I like the show and I have a daughter that is 10 and a son 5 months old. I don't agree with the whole "thought crime" issue and the show is CLEARLY entrapment but I like it anyway. I'm all about rights and I'm against "Big Brother" like we all are but sometimes common sense should prevail. What I'm hearing people say is that If an ADULT E-Mails or chats online with someone they PERCEIVE to be a MINOR and this adult sends pornographic images through email and shows up at an agreed upon address with agreed upon items at an agreed upon time expecting sex from this child they shouldn't go to jail!?!... ARE YOU PEOPLE MAD!?! So OK... how about I call you and I tell you I am going to go to your house to shoot your dog on monday at 8:15pm. I tell you I will have a Glock 23 loaded on my right hip and I will be wearing a white t shirt with blue jeans. Then on monday @ 8:15pm your doorbell rings there I am on your doorstep with a white t shirt and blue jeans and you notice a bulge under my t shirt on my right hip... now using your deductive reasoning skills and a bit of common sense what do you suppose I am there to do?... If you call the cops and they don't arrest me would you be upset?.. Why?!?... I didn't do anything... I just THOUGHT about shooting your dog. I didn't actually do it...

I really hate playing devil's advocate but I will. What if you were online and asked this person to show up at your door and shoot your dog? All im saying is lets see the whole transcript so we can see the whole conversation and not just bits and peices.

Got to www.perverted-justice.com... and you can read the transcripts.


On the left side, you will see convictions and people whom PJ has communicated with. For example:

Conviction #257
vipper_131 - Idaho Falls, Idaho
Matt Hedrick helps rep Idaho when it comes to our conviction list

[Read Report] Links to Chat Log:
[With Commentary] [No Commentary]

"click on read report or with commentary"

[edit on 27-2-2008 by greeneyedleo]

[edit on 27-2-2008 by greeneyedleo]

Let me start off by saying all child sex offenders should be shot dead. I have a 5 year old kid and I would be the first to say I would personally take out whoever laid a hand on my child.

I took your advice and went to the websight and read through just 1 transcript that had part of the following:

4/27/2006

(The Riverside detective I was working with suggested I abuse his manhood for standing me up. So I did.)

laci92501 (6:40:29 PM): so still ignoring me huh?
laci92501 (6:40:33 PM): wuss
laci92501 (6:41:19 PM): i bet u got a little dick
laci92501 (6:41:31 PM): an yur prolly a virgin
laci92501 (6:43:24 PM): prolly ride a bicycle too an dont even have a car

5/16/2006

(Almost a month later he seems to have forgotten my abuse.)

readyto_fck (7:44:36 PM): wanna hook up for some fun rite now? I ma in the 909 San Bernardino area..
laci92501 (10:03:45 AM): yea like i wuld ever believe u again

5/17/2006

(Some more abuse is in order now. What kind of man takes this from a 13-year old girl and keeps coming back begging for more?)

laci92501 (3:11:20 PM): hey dork
readyto_fck (3:11:26 PM): hi
readyto_fck (3:11:29 PM): i am not a dork
laci92501 (3:11:33 PM): r to


For the record laci92501 is the plant and readyto_fck is the guy trying to pick up laci. The conversation started days before my above example but when readyto_fck backed off you can see that laci92501 was trying to start the conversation back up as you can see by the 4/27/06 chat log. I have a real problem with laci actually going after rdyto_fck. She was even trying to insult him to get him back to the conversation. If this isnt actually encouraging him to act I dont know what else you could call it.

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Can you provide the link to that? And is that the entire transcript...like from the begining. Its just hard to read bits and pieces, because things can be taken out of context.

I read other transcripts by this guy and he clearly had one thing in mind - to prey on little girls.

Like this one:

www.perverted-justice.com...

50/40/30 year olds going after teenage kids is perverted and deserves jail time (Interestingly, though, not so long ago marital relationships existed between these age groups).

But what about 20 year olds or even 19 year old - legally they are adults - getting involved with 15/16 year olds? Why is that acceptable.

Matter of fact, why is any type of sexual activity acceptable for anyone below 18? Why are condoms and safe sex education given out to school kids? why is a 13 year old getting on a chat site and responding to sexual messages?

The problem lies deeper than most people think. If the children were made aware of what is absolutely not acceptable behaviour, shows like Predator would'nt need to exist. Doesnt mean sick bastards would stop looking for their next victim, but atleast they will not be invited into someones home!

For the record I think it is despicable that they(NBC) are making money on someone's perverted actions, these people deserve jail, but some of them are college kids who dont seem to know better.

[edit on 2/27/2008 by 2believeor0]

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Couldn't agree with you more! I can't believe some of these posters, and one can't help but notice they are a little too supportive of those sick *snip*. I don't care HOW they are outed, only that they are. And if I had my way, it would be public executions for those they catch trying to have sex with a kid. I don't care how harsh or inhuman you chomo supporters think I am. SICK.


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My thoughts exactly! They would have no show at all if these guys had not had the chance to do this sort of thing before. Apparently the actual risk they take in proportion to the crime is very small. If they thought they would get caught most of the time then they wouldn't even bother trying. Yes it is these old guys fault but then again no one ever thinks these 12-16 year olds are at fault, or more importantly their parents.

One thing I had always wondered about was, what happens if they get some guy who says he's 25 or so talking to them, and he shows up and is actually 16? I bet they would never show that particular situation.