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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 07:56 AM by trivialsublime


That maybe is a secret signal too but I think it’s about keeping oneself company

In some circles I think it maybe be referred to as ' the larry craig'

Man the dribble that is coming out to try and knock Obama.

The pledge of allegiance crap, the African garb that looks Arabic, geez.

Get used to it people (Obama will be the next President of the United States).



Originally posted by Choronzon
I've read your other thread too Mr. Anti-Ma(c)on:

www.abovetopsecret.com... e=3#pid4051370

In order to NOT be part of your conspiracy, you'd have to stand up there with your hands in your pockets. Or would that be a secret masonic hand-sign too?

Wake up to real life, people flail their hands while talking, and some people try to look good doing it.....



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 10:15 AM by antimacon



Originally posted by Naboo the Enigma
Just looking around my office a number of my staff are adopting similar poses at various times (in particular the clasped hands under the chin look) and I have been known to point with my right hand now and again. Does this mean I am a mason? If so shouldn't I know about it? Do I have a duty to report this to myself or am I part of a masonic conspiracy to undermine my own authority? I must be told, the truth will out...


Yes but they do these movement only for a quarter of a second. Try capturing one of your UNSUSPECTING collegue pointing a finger on a PHOTOGRAPH. Good luck because you will have to wait all day for such a fleeting movement. Freemasons on the other hand, when they see someone trying to photograph them will immediatly adopt one of their PHONY grandiose pose like they are some sort of greek god statue.

Like this baby here:
www.npr.org...

What the heck are they pointing at? Snipers??
No, PHOTOGRAPHERS!

BTW here is Obama doing the hand on the neck sign of distress after the Hillary memo controversy

asapblogs.typepad.com...

Don't tell me everybody does this gesture!
Yet the book by Johannes Rothkranz is full of such examples and recently Ehud Olmert did that sign after the devastating report on the Lebanon war war published. I have this pic on my blog
www.waitingtorot.blogspot.com



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 10:25 AM by Naboo the Enigma


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Remember that politicians are photograped by hundreds (sometimes thousands) of photogrphers who take multiple photos every time they press the button. What a press photographer ends up with is effectively a stop-frame sequence of images from which he can choose whatever he wants. If he wants a picture of Obama looking grumpy, he'll find it; if he wants a picture of Hilary looking wrinkly, he'll find it; if he wants a picture of Obama pointing, he'll find it. Simply because a photo shows someone pointing does not mean that they were stood like it for a long time - we aren't using Victorian Camera Obscura these days!

"Just hold that pose for another half an hour Mrs Clinton and then we're done."



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 10:41 AM by Illahee


I'm gonna call looptard on this one.

No Freemason will say it and neither will I but the hand sign thing is totally wrong
and just someone thinking they know something without all the facts.

The very same d@mn thing with the so called Devil hand sign. I suggest the OP put down his book and get a couple on the differing versions of sign language for the deaf.

Or you can just ask my niece. She reads lips too. Not only are you offending FreeMasons your completely offending the handicapable with this hand sign nonsense.

I hope you can polish up your social skills beyond the present.


BTW: I do not like Obama and Hillary as well as the rest of the under qualified there are to chose from this time.

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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 10:49 AM by drift393


Wow talk about grasping for straws. This reminds me way back when I was in High School.

Is your son or daughter no longer interested in school?
Does your son or daughter sleep in?
Does your son or daughter like to hang out with friends and not family?
Has your son or daughters grades fallen?

Your kid must be on drugs...No it just means they are a kid. example above to reflect how people grasp at straws when there really is nothing. Pointing, making a choking motion, etc are all very common forms of body language saying that Mason's have exclusive rights to these forms of communication means that 100% of the world population are Freemasons. I really enjoyed in the article how it states the Pope was exposed as a Mason. Kinda like saying the Pope has syphagonnaherpealaids. Since when do Mason's have to be exposed like a rare disease? As far as my experience the best way to root out those pesky annoying Mason's is usually an age old trick ...Ask them.



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 11:04 AM by antimacon


Ok let's look at this from another angle.

GANG SIGNS:




Notice that some of these signs are used by people who are NOT gangs members. EVEN politicians do these signs. Therefore this must be the proof
that gangs do not use signs. Ask any gang member if he uses signs and he will say no (if you are lucky). No matter how many books are published on the subject, as long as you are not a gang member, you don't know sh***t.
No matter if you can verify this theory with your own experience, people just make all sort of gestures with their hands and to suggest that a code is used is just plain crazy
anyway all kids today do these signs so that does'nt prove anything right?
Therfore gangs do not exist!



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 11:15 AM by Illahee


Lets not look at it at all.

Now you are offending Natives of the islands, Hippies, and anyone that thinks things are OK. You posted a picture that says they are gang members.

Time to quit while your almost even.



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 11:25 AM by drift393


By your same logic with the post regarding gang signs you also just stated that Obama is a gang member than? As acording to that illustration pointing is also a gang sign. Hrm crypts or bloods whitch one ya think my guess would be mexican mafia.

"edited for my mad fat finger skills"

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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 11:34 AM by antimacon



Originally posted by drift393
By your same logic with the post regarding gang signs you also just stated that Obama is a gang member than? As acording to that illustration pointing is also a gang sign. Hrm crypts or bloods whitch one ya think my guess would be mexican mafia.

"edited for my mad fat finger skills"

[edit on 27-2-2008 by drift393]


I was being sarcastic.
The problem is that we all know that gang members use signs. What are their sign? The police tell us that the signs above are in fact gang signs. Huh? Pointing the finger is a gang sign? But, but everybody does that, right? So does that means that the police is lying to us?
It's all a question of CREDIBLE SOURCE.
Is the police a credible source?
You decide.

What are the freemasons signs?
The police won't publish them.
How about the sign that the KKK use?
How come the police won't publish them?
Aren't they violent criminals?
Questions, questions...



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 12:08 PM by drift393


So gang members, KKK members, use hand signs so does just about every group and individual in the world. Show me proof that this is a masonic sign not a gang sign or a kkk sign or a police sign or an army sign or a party goer sign or a rock star sign or a any of 1000's others. All i see is someone pointing. Maybe he is pointing to a sign. Hrmm a Masonic sign pointing at a sign is that a sign within a sign?



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 12:28 PM by antimacon





Let's analyse this picture of Michelle Obama.
Don't tell me that is not posed
Don't tell me that the hallo around her head is just an accident.
So why is the media going to all the trouble?
WHY oh WHY...
Why is she doing the pyramid gesture with her hand which according to all the books that I've read is a masonic sign? (also called sign of prayer)
An ancient sign...

But, but I hear you say, everybody makes that with their hands. Everybody prays.

But the question is does everybody gets their pictures published by a major news agency with a hallo around the head too?


So something fishy is going on here...



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 12:44 PM by Choronzon



Originally posted by antimacon
Let's analyse this picture...

ok, looks fine to me...


Don't tell me that is not...
Don't tell me that the...

Doesn't sound like much of a discussion, sounds more like dictation.



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 01:02 PM by NephraTari



Originally posted by Osiris1953
What you are looking at is called pointing.....I'm not trying to be rude, snide, or devalue your thread, but he's just pointing. Really.... unless you use your bent index finger to point in a manner similar to Bill Clinton, all Obama is doing is just that... pointing. Am I missing something here?
I agree 100%.
No disrespect but you are really stretching for things when you read more into the simplest and more necessary hand gesture in politics. "pointing the finger"
Tell me just how is he supposed to indicate which person he wants to take a question from next WITHOUT using that hand gesture?

Not many things try my patience.. but when people resort to making something out of nothing to this extreme.. it does try my patience just a bit.

*sigh*



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 01:09 PM by drift393


Wow cant argue with that logic. I think I have found the smoking gun of the Masonic hand symbols.


external image

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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 01:27 PM by EvilBat


So far I agree its just pointing, I feel odd actually typing this
cause I use sign language a lot, "wonder how many masons I piss off"

from what I seen so far for your source is YOUR blog that you tell us about
over and over again

so according to your blog

"NOTE: THE SIGNS MENTIONNED HERE ARE ONLY VALID WHEN A MAJOR NEWS AGENCY PUBLISH THEM."

If I started chocking and grab my throat and the news took a picture of it showing me grabbing my throat it would count as a masonic sign?

If I went to a concert lets say Danzig or Ozzy and it showed up on the news and they showed all of us "throwing devil horns" would the crowd all be showing masonic signs?



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 02:46 PM by antimacon



Originally posted by EvilBat
from what I seen so far for your source is YOUR blog that you tell us about
over and over again



My blog is all based on two main books

1- Freimaurersignale in der Presse
2- signs and signals of freemasonry


Originally posted by EvilBat

so according to your blog

"NOTE: THE SIGNS MENTIONNED HERE ARE ONLY VALID WHEN A MAJOR NEWS AGENCY PUBLISH THEM."

If I started chocking and grab my throat and the news took a picture of it showing me grabbing my throat it would count as a masonic sign?




They will explain why you are doing this gesture or they will not publish it at all because it is a sign of distress reserved only to freemasons. Don't tell me that Obama or Olmert were chocking there. Here we have a sign that has a specific meaning which totally dovetail with the given situation. How much more specific can it get?


Originally posted by EvilBat

If I went to a concert lets say Danzig or Ozzy and it showed up on the news and they showed all of us "throwing devil horns" would the crowd all be showing masonic signs?




The person has to be identified for the code to count.
There are rules to be respected like any codes.



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 03:04 PM by EvilBat


I'm not saying they are choking, I'm using myself as an example.

So your saying Obama is a mason ? His wife as well?

If so can you show me where you found that out?

If they aren't masons, then that would mean your theory is well bunked.



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reply posted on 27-2-2008 @ 04:23 PM by corsig


This whole thread is silly.

Another case of we are damned if we do and damned if we dont.

I have never heard f any of those signs that were listed and the pic of Obama's wife with her hands clasped under a halo looks like she was in church.

Any picture of a person of high profile like a politician doing something is called Masonic.

If Bush is caught picking his nose would that be called masonic?

Same darn thing.

Oh boy.....



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reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 09:13 AM by Masonic Light



Originally posted by antimacon


well that's the terminology that author JSM Ward uses in his book.
Maybe you could tell us the name the masons use for this sign then?


Well, I'll say this:

Ward was an English Mason back in the 1800's. It is possible, I suppose, that English Masons back then used such a sign, but there is no such Masonic sign used in the USA.

Since Obama is not a Mason, and especially not a 19th century English Mason, I would have to say that he is not using a Masonic sign.



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reply posted on 28-2-2008 @ 10:27 AM by antimacon



Originally posted by Masonic Light
Well, I'll say this:

Ward was an English Mason back in the 1800's. It is possible, I suppose, that English Masons back then used such a sign, but there is no such Masonic sign used in the USA.


born 22 December 1885, Central America, died 2 July 1949 Cyprus
en.wikipedia.org...

That's mostly 20th century


Originally posted by Masonic LightSince Obama is not a Mason, and especially not a 19th century English Mason, I would have to say that he is not using a Masonic sign.


Well since you are a freemason you are forbidden to name any living freemasons or to divulge the secrets of the orders, so your opinion is biased to say the least.

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