Very interesting.. I read the wikki and sounds pretty convincing that he is indeed discredited...

Do you know of any other's who have been doing this same type of preaching who are also discredited so it can be easier to point them out... ?

How would one be able to tell if Mr. Todd was real or not? I mean, what credentials are required for an Illuminati member?

Originally posted by VisionQuest
How would one be able to tell if Mr. Todd was real or not?

Since his stories were inconsistent, it must be assumed he was not telling the truth. Ditto with Schnoebelen and Warnke.

I mean, what credentials are required for an Illuminati member?

In the Bavarian Illuminati, the credentials were that one had to be a male of good moral character who believed in the existence of a Supreme Being, the separation of church and state, public education for all children, universal suffrage, and democratic government.

Sounds good to me. Where do I go to sign up?

Originally posted by 4204peace

Do you know of any other's who have been doing this same type of preaching who are also discredited so it can be easier to point them out... ?

A person who is illuminated would not *necessarily* convert to Christianity, or be saved.
Put it better, they may appear 'saved' but their personal beliefs would not be what the average joe/jane Christian believes - nor would they probably tell them.

See, is someone were illuminated they would see past all the allegories of the religions and not go back into them - unless they wanted to 'raise the sparks' that were within.
(Kind of like Jesus 'coming to earth' in the form of a man)

may not seem clear what Im saying, but ponder it and it may begin to make sense.

You will know them by their fruits has a true meaning to it.
If someone truly goes to living on an allegorical level then they were never past that level in whatever else they were in.

Peace

dAlen

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Since his stories were inconsistent, it must be assumed he was not telling the truth. Ditto with Schnoebelen and Warnke.

But isn't that what THEY do best?
Don't they intentionally create a web of confusion using carefully crafted contradicting inconsistencies? {pardon the redundancy here}

Maybe his old habits were hard to break.

FYI, under the circumstances, Christianity Today is certainly not the kind of legitimate, iron-clad source for discrediting people, like a John Todd, that many people incorrectly assume them to be. The former was founded (and still chaired) by none other than billy graham, himself merely one among many actors indicted by the testimony of Todd. To say that Christianity Today's opinion in this case constitutes a credible dismissal of Todd's claims is akin to a high council of Foxes announcing that the Chicken's claims against the the Foxes are patently unfounded.

The notion of "consistency" is another angle from which many people have attempted to attack and dismiss John Todd's revelations. For myself personally, I have no intimate understanding nor familiarity with what it might be like to be born into and raised in a family represents an ancient lineage of people who have long practiced in various black arts. This was among Todd's claims and even though these are easy (perhaps too easy) to take / interpret / dismiss as fantastical by the average person who's been required to grow up and live the typical fairy-tale view of history that has been taught in America, conservatively, the past 100 years, an person attempting to seriously consider claims like those by a John Todd must also consider any person required to grow up and live in such an enviornment may not be what the rest of the "normal world" considers a "stable" and "consistent person".

This is the dude that claimed to have been on the Council of 13, right?

Pssshhh.

I don't know about that.

If you are on the Council of 13, you just don't "DEFECT". lol

Originally posted by Privy_Princess
This is the dude that claimed to have been on the Council of 13, right?

Pssshhh.

I don't know about that.

If you are on the Council of 13, you just don't "DEFECT". lol

I think he actually said, "I'm not really on the Council of 13.. BUT I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!"

it's pretty easy to debunk him as a member of the illuminati due to the fact that the illuminati died out a couple of centuries ago....I'm sure someone will chime in with "that's just what they want you to believe!" uh yeah..whatever.

Originally posted by White Chapel
it's pretty easy to debunk him as a member of the illuminati due to the fact that the illuminati died out a couple of centuries ago....I'm sure someone will chime in with "that's just what they want you to believe!" uh yeah..whatever.

Now, I don´t believe in the Illuminati theory, but just for arguments sake. IF they actually exist you shouldn´t look for old evidence in new cases

However John Todd comes off as a big fraud