My take on 2012 is that while we are seeing great changes being brought upon the world by the worlds elite and the puppet masters that pull the strings from a far and the fact that the planet is heading towards letting off some steam with a potential physical pole shift which is the real reason behind global warming and not all the pull that the puppet masters minions would want us to believe, the real event of 2012 is more about a change in pysicality which also takes in a conciousness change.

Some have said, it will be liken to the biblical concept of the wheat and chaff where there will be a seperation. The important point about it is that it does not mean a literal end of all things, but more a seperation of two points. Some will go on to a higher dimensional reality and the others will stay in third density reality to continue on. It is all about learning and is not by any means to be looked upon as a punishment in regards to either point of view.

But without the seperation, those who have not allowed enough change to take place within them and have not at least recognized that change is taking place all the time, need a bit more time to work on the realization of third density reality vs. lets say fourth or fifth.

We must keep in mind that going up in density does not mean that you are better than others. But it jus shows that you are ready to except new challenges from a conciousness level.

who makes the choice about if your change density level or not, why you do! And you do not even have to fully conciously know you are doing it, it is really about how you deal with life and the free will choices you make along the path of your own accumulation of experiences. And I have to add this, it is not about judgement day or rapture even if all those biblical type concepts seem to have meaning in what I have been saying. It is really about how you interpret these ideas and we are not talking in the sense of what you have been taught or told. It is a personnel thing that only you can learn by yourself.

Does it bring you closer to God? Nope, not really. Cause you never were seperated from GOD. Remember, we were all made in the image of GOD and so look at that statement with open eyes and not of the image of what you have been shown or told is GOD. I think if we can do that, then you pretty much know which point of reality you will take. Here is a clue that I have found, it is not about literal specific definition of words or hidden codes for both the words and codes serve the symbolism which is a very mathimatical universal language.

I appologize if I seemed to non-specific at this point. For it would take up to many words to fully explain it all and even now I have not myself even scratched the surface.

I wonder why the Mayan calendar would go back 50,000 years in the past but ends in December of 2012. I guess they thought there wouldn't be a January 2013.

Christian, again you speak of God as if you are in communication with him how do you know what God does or not what he is repsonsible for. If he created us then he created all the mistakes so the blame and resposilbilty still lies with him does it not. And if your God is so powerful why has he not been back to fix things.

Well the answer is becasue he does not exist full stop accept for in the minds of those who wish to believe in fairy tales and tall stories. I believe in the physical World I do not need some fake image to get through my day, I have a brain and I use it I dont need others to think for me or to tell me right from wrong, thats reality and perhaps if all those dreamers just started to pay attention we could make the World a dam sight better than it is.

But its true there are so many hooked in the religeous mind trap that they are out of touch with the real World, what would you do if you found out there really was no God, would your World fall apart are you and those like you wearing a religeous life jacket that if it came off you would drown.

Although people Mayans where into the sacrafice worship. Everyone gives them credit for making the most accurite calender to date and having a understanding of the stars and space that we dont have today killers or not people give them credit for knowing there stuff.

Originally posted by kanesis


Although people Mayans where into the sacrafice worship. Everyone gives them credit for making the most accurite calender to date and having a understanding of the stars and space that we dont have today killers or not people give them credit for knowing there stuff.

Yes you could say that the Mayans, were way more spiritually intact then todays society, maybe they were even more Tech advanced too. Modern scientists look at the pyramids and say "how in the deuce did they do that".
Who knows.

Nothing will end, things may change like they always have, but "it " wont end.

Hopefully it will change for the better, too many people suffering in the world

Maybe the Mayans who established the calendar were the remainings of their lost civilization... It's the same as with the Atlantis.

I've cared for my spirituality for more than 20 years now. I'm active at meditation, at helping others, I think I've changed a lot since my interest towards "unaccountable" things started (this as a beginning).

Once this said, and such as I repliedd to a workmate around 1989 (she told me an asteroid was told to hit the Earth in more of less 40 months, followed by a list of absurd measures to take in order to survive), I can't and don't want to live with the anguish of a given date for a catastrophe.

So I do what I did then. I live everyday, I keep my duties done, I care for my pets, I water my plants, what else?

Originally posted by ceman43
Maybe the Mayans who established the calendar were the remainings of their lost civilization... It's the same as with the Atlantis.

I've cared for my spirituality for more than 20 years now. I'm active at meditation, at helping others, I think I've changed a lot since my interest towards "unaccountable" things started (this as a beginning).

Once this said, and such as I repliedd to a workmate around 1989 (she told me an asteroid was told to hit the Earth in more of less 40 months, followed by a list of absurd measures to take in order to survive), I can't and don't want to live with the anguish of a given date for a catastrophe.

So I do what I did then. I live everyday, I keep my duties done, I care for my pets, I water my plants, what else?

We could go there which is what i think as-well but i dont want to add more things than whats at hand. Your talking about from egypt right.

Originally posted by kanesis

We could go there which is what i think as-well but i dont want to add more things than whats at hand. Your talking about from egypt right.

Sorry, I don't understand you fully. Where could we go? What do you say about egypt?