Australia's Role in World War III

well all i know -and hopefully it doesn't- but if i comes down to it and i had to flee into the hills i would welcome my brothers of aus. canada and the uk. they are a no nonsense mean bunch when they want to be i would hope they would be on my side

Darwin was bombed in 1942 which is in the Northern Territory of Australia. The Japanese targeted American airbases based there. The Japanese also did some surveillance in Sydney and a submarine torpedoed an Australian vessel (Kettebul I think it was called) while trying to target an American war vessel in the harbour. One submarine got caught in some nets and it blew itself up while another sunk somewhere just inside the Sydney heads. The Japanese also infiltrated Newcastle harbour north of Sydney however they did not launch any attacks on that occasion. Back in the 1940's Papua New Guinea was part of Australia. And there was vicious fighting there between Japanese and Australian soldiers...

anyone who plays risk will know australia is a key hold
so i would assume they would help us and not let the rest of the world overpower them

I wonder what Canada's part will be if there is a WW3? Canada is more Similar to Australia than most people think.

I think you need a bit of perspective to be honest. The US is the "only country that could pull it off" because it had no conniving enemies along her borders. Canada has long been an ally of the US and Mexico is not a threat. If America was situated in Europe like Russia, then things would be very different.
Russia was attacked by a country who she signed a non-aggression pact with. Germany had no intention to abide by the pact. Stalin foolishly thought he had no external threats, just internal threats. That is why he carried out the purges of all his top military men. Stalin was the reason why Russia was so ill-prepared for war. Maybe learning a bit of history then just spurting out patriotic rhetoric which I don't buy into will help your cause.

China is not a threat to anyone. Nobody said it was. Tell me otherwise. They will however be a threat in about 20 years. China will overtake the US in about 50 years. You only have to look at how big a country China is and how her economy is growing and do the math. China will become the world's strongest country nearing the end of our lifetime.

Tell me what did Japan do to China?
What bag of tricks?
Who is gonna get beat down?

Mate your rhetoric is boring, and I don't buy it.

Nothing to do with UFO's, unless you believe John Lear.

Pine Gap is part of Echelon, a global surveillance network;
home.hiwaay.net...

Considering i am a Freemason and i am truly patriotic and not to mention caught up on my history i would have to say Underbelly is almost pin point correct. I think you may need to check your history brother as China will never be able to take the U.S and that goes for every country. Im not just saying this because i am highly patriotic and im American. China is a Economic threat today and always will be and only way it would become military is if they somehow stationed enough of their forces along our borders which will be impossible. The United States has things in its arsenal that no other has nor can ever imagine and im almost certain of this because just look at the budget we use on our defense projects and not to mention black projects. Russia is the only true threat out their then maybe Iran but only cause of their allies which again would be Russia. There is no way that the United States Empire and yes i said Empire and i have no problem with it will EVER let any nation over run us or bully us. We are nice to the worlds nations and people and everyone will agree with us until something like war becomes bloody then they will find some way to hate us even though we do so much good, yes the U.S government is corrupt some what but every nation is but like i said the U.S is strong and always will be. We will either win a war or go down with everyone else.

At the same time that Japan preemptively attacked Pearl Harbor, Japan invaded all of South-East Asia. They took Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Hong Kong, the Phillipines, Indonesia and Singapore. Singapore was Britain's worst defeat in its long military history. It was thought to be impregnable by Sir Winston Churchill who called it the crown jewel of the British Empire but 25,000 Japanese invaded and forced 100,000 Commonwealth forces to surrender. That signalled the end of the British Empire.

The fight in New Guinea was significant as this was the first time the Japanese army took a loss, and it was at the hands of the Australians. Had the Australian troops not defended and defeated the Japanese there, Australia would have been cut off from American assistance and Japan would have had free reign to dictate terms to Australia if it wanted to.

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I am an Anglo-Australian Christian. That means I'm a third generation Aussie but my forefathers were English. I believe that in today's world, we'll never see a full blown world war. Nuclear weapons just about ensures that. Nuclear weapons are a deterrant for any kind of aggression. That plus the last 50 years, cultural exchanges and the development of economies has made the world a safer place, by and large.

I disagree about the American Empire theory. Sure they have bases in Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Britain and Germany but it is the will of the people in these countries that allow them to be there. If Japan or Germany for example wanted America out then they would be obligated to leave. As you say Americans are by and large friendly and it is this reason why they have bases in the counties I've mentioned.
You mention America having a large budget, but they need it to sustain those forces in those countries. But yes, America is ahead of any country in this world, and I don't for see America, China, Russia or any other first world nation being invaded anytime soon.

It is the rogue nations, with madmen as leaders that are the danger. That plus the undetectable inside America, Russia and China that could cause danger, like that which happened on 9/11. Unfortunately while you can take the best precautions and prevent most of it from happening, occasionally things will happen. History has taught us that. The IRA in Britain, the Basque Separatists in Spain, Islamo-facists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Some slip through the line of security and can do damage.

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Canada I think is very similar to Australia too, Big Country, low population, One is a desert, one is frozen, and both tend to be very much in the background and hardly ever talked about or in the world news, but yet Canada and Australia sent troops to the Iraq war, and i think they will again if another war starts

Yes exactly what i believe. Very opposite Climates, and positions in the world, yet they share a similar Feel to it. Like they do not get attention in the world like some countries, and they go along with the States usually.

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We will either win a war or go down with everyone else.

Well i think you have never heard of nam. You got your asses whooped and deserved it. Then you deny defeat, yet you ran out of Vietnam with your pants down.

We are nice to the worlds nations and people and everyone will agree with us until something like war becomes bloody then they will find some way to hate us even though we do so much good, yes the U.S government is corrupt some what but every nation is but like i said the U.S is strong and always will be.

The only reason the americans are in Iraq is for the oil. They are not there to help rebuild a destroyed country, If that were so, i think Africa(The whole Continent) would be the top Candidate for that kind of rebuilding. You say the united states is a bit Corrupt???? Try the whole damn system is Corrupt. You say every nation is like that, yet the nation i live in(Canada) is run by the states. So we wouldn't even be able to have a fair trial, to see if we are corrupt. Your so called free country is run by 13 rich Families. Ever heard of the NWO, or the Bilderberg Conferences. NWO is running the Whole Western Hemisphere.

Every great Civilization in the past has fallen

What makes you so sure America will not follow.

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Port Darwin IS what I meant. Thanks for correcting me on the name of the port that got bombed. I appreciate the correction AND the assistance.

darcon,
Actually in Nam why did we deserve to get our "buts" whooped? Because we went into Nam to help an ally? Thats funny because when it comes to being honorable many despise it in todays society and your comment further proves it. We did not lose the war if we would have stayed we might have won but with heavy heavy loses and thats predicted on both sides of the conflict good and bad. We left because it wasn't our war and we were gaining heavy loses and the American people did not like that so all hell broke lose in the states which that and heavy loses caused the with drawl, not because we lost. Oh and friend for you to disrespect that issue in time is complete foolish because if ANY nation the United States of America has never ran out of a war we could not have won as many other nations has and i will not name them as i have respect for people on these boards.

To the War i Iraq statement you issued is actually complete ignorant and false. The American government "may" be in Iraq for oil not the Americans my friend again a foolish and disrespectable comment. See many believe we are in Iraq for oil and this is simple conspiracy which didn't even start up until the news begin airing this on T.V. See the United States could have gone with out oil from Iraq because the truth is Saudi Arabia was supplying the need Oil before the war. Now maybe after we had went in eliminated a few strong holds and took Hudam from power it came into mind we might try and get the Oil but this to can be questioned because if ANY conspiracy to why the U.S invaded Iraq it would be because of the 1999 incident in desert storm in which involved Bushes dad. "Revenge to Hudam" so to speak. I personally agree to the Iraq War however i think we went in way to soon and not enough planning. You are right about Africa but extremely wrong about Iraq, see when we or if we get out of Iraq we will need them as a strong ally in the middle east and if we don't help them rebuild i highly doubt they will be an ally plus you can not forget the papers signed to send billions and billions to help rebuild after the war oh and did i forget all the current building going on? All the private contractors and military contractors that are rebuilding right now as we speak? See i think you are just against the war and have had so much hate of the war filled into your head that you rather not see the truth, now don't get me wrong i highly disagree with the way Bush handled things and the way Bush is currently handling things but i look at the negative and the positive side of things. About the U.S being corrupt see again you are highly disrespectful and again you really don't know what your talking about because when i use the term a bit i compare other nations and i compare the voice of the people, it is a fact every nation is corrupt and to say yours isn't is pure stupidity to knowledge and facts. Canada yes is ran by the states but it is also ran by the people who tried getting rid of Muslim rights in schools and sporting events isn't it? See even though you don't realize or don't want to accept the fact that its true it is very true my friend and rather you accept it or not is up to you. And with your NWO issues dude come on.....i to believe in it however its not true that Masons are involved because much of us Masons disagree with it and are against it...however the power they have or even existence is still marked as conspiracy and what we are talking about is facts and events that lead up to WW3 and why Australia or if will be involved so until you can come up with facts and use correct facts then come disrespect me and troll me.

May i point out that it is extremely funny how he dislikes America but the truth is his "sate" ran nation wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for us.

Mods, i am sorry if this is in any way against the rules...i just don't take it kindly when trolled.




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I'm not really an idiot regardless of how much that would comfort other constructions on reality.

1. They were military folks of varying ranks as well as other government connected individuals of dubious . . . roles to play.

2. This was more than 20 years ago. I didn't remember names after 24 hours and certainly not after 20 years. Even if I did remember names, I wouldn't even dream of sharing such with anyone--much less on the internet.

3. I don't really need to prove the above to anyone. I know what I was told. My profesisonal judgment at the time was that the individuals had access to such government knowledge and were telling the truth.

4. It is logical. Certainly the Chinese consider this the CHINESE CENTURY or MILLENIUM. They certainly consider it THEIR DUE AND THEIR TURN TO RULE THE WORLD. I've ran into quite a number of people who are aware of that mentality in the various levels of Chinese leadership as well as amongst many citizens on the street.

5. I don't give a rip at all about the naysayer/debunker mentality hereon which loves to shred thoroughly and instantly all perspectives not their own. They have not walked in my shoes. I graciously and thoughfully share my perspective from my experiences. Folks who decline to find such interesting or worth reading for whatever reason are strongly encouraged to go read the funny papers instead. I'm not saying you are in that category--but to all who are . . .

6. It may be that China will be too focused on destroying the USA to give sufficient priority and attention to conquering Australia. But I wouldn't bet on it. They certainly have the manpower. They have the cotainer ships with COSCO. We shall see.

Cheers.

Not sure the above warrants a substantive reply but here goes . . .

www.whatsaiththescripture.com...

Is a good intro to a now deceased Christian, former KGB Romanian . . . who was given a host of dremas and visions about the future. The link is regarding the ATTACK ON THE USA BY CHINA AND RUSSIA.

I don't think that link goes into it but one could search the site.

In any case, to answer your hostile question . . .

Dumitru Duduman 'saw' in one or more dreams or visions the Chinese General in charge of California after the invasion--systematically killing every Californian possible--many times by buldozing them alive into mass graves . . . until he was assassinated in what was left of San Francisco.

We shall see if his prophecy becomes true.

If so, you may then enjoy dancing on our ruins, but I hope not.

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Thats alright, if it's Californians...
Or even Floridians, lol.
The rest, I'd be upset about.
We'll see what happens when they get to Texas

In a possible theoretical "stalemate" situation between the US and China leaning towards all out war scenario, Australia's role would be first and foremost as a diplomatic peacemaker, for it is in Australia interest for this war not too happen.

Regardless what some may say about Kevin 07, he is a very intelligent and wealthy asset for Australia, and the fact that his knowledge and understanding of Chinese culture and history benefits any sort of negotiations between the two powers.

Dont forget that Australia is a Major natural resource provider for the Chinese.

Our natural resources are what is building China at the moment and inturn driving our economy up. So we would suffer majorly if a war occured.

To those who mentioned earlier about Indonesia posing a threat to Australia, they may well at some stage pose a threat but as they are right now, they could not muster a soccer team let alone an army for an invasion. Yeah they have a huge population but that population has many religions and internal squabbles amongst themselves.

And finally, just something for you all to consider, what makes anyone so sure that Australia doesnt have its own nukes just sitting there in hidden Silo's ready for launch?

In the 60's and 70's, our nuclear scientists were up there with the rest of the world in nuclear know how, so with a country so vast, surely theres some nukes hidden in silo's nobody knows about, a "worst case scenario" last option in case of invasion, it'd be irresponsible not to consider such an option.

good thread, keep up the discussion, some good points being made both for and against.

What would you know whether it has anything to do with UFOs or not? And btw, Echelon is only the tiniest part of the many functions of Pine Gap.

Pine Gap officially falls under the secretive UKUSA Pact - which means that if an Australian Prime Minister wanted to go right now to inspect the facility, he would be turned away.

Nobody outside the 'loop' knows didly squat about Pine Gap - so the only thing we can pass on, are the titbits from whistleblowers and anyone else who has actually been in there.

I have spoken to several such people, and what I can pass on from them is this:
- it goes miles deep
- thousands and thousands of people live there
- the top couple of levels are where the token Aussie personnel work/based. This is primary security, weather and satellite monitoring, eavesdropping occur.
- Pine Gap has no national allegiance in reality, despite being part of the UKUSA pact
- in the 1970s, a whistleblower spoke out on ABC TV about his concerns over how Pine Gap is able to be used to generate earthquakes, trigger volcanoes, influence moods of populations, eavesdrop on ever conversation, (whether electronic or otherwise), weather control etc.
- a worker who helped with construction of the base decades ago, said emphatically that there was already a facility there before 'we' added onto it - and that this facility was interconnected with others via a high-speed tube network.

To say it has nothing to do with UFOs is just ignorance. There are a HUGE number of UFOs reported near and around Pine Gap. Whether they are ours or 'their's I dunno, but they are there dude - so just get over it!

Duncan