With out matter ...Matter cant be created.. our existance

I was watching a show on histry channel about how planet's we made..

Like grain's of sugar in a bag of water they clump toghter over time to make what we call earth venus ect...

And all of the sudden it hit me like a brick.
Without matter they could never be matter....there for it had to allway's exist....
then my brain hurt....

Think real hard on Nothing what would Nothing look like in your mind?
i find it scary becouse at some point it dawn's on yourself.

If you see a planet it's mattter rock's gas's.....
it's all matter....

What made the matter?
If the matter in the universe was made from a nothing....
What is the NothingNess?....void of all matter....

So how is it possible to make matter from nothing?

So it's hard to fathom a universe without even a rock or gas WITHOUT anything..

But at some time there has to be nothing..rock's gas h20 iron ect...
did not magicaly allway's be here.
There had to be a birth of the universe and all of what we call matter.
So what gave birth from nothing......to matter planet's gas's ect...?

Then my mind got stuck in theorie's after thoerie's.

What would cause nothing to becouse something?
Only thing i can think of is life it's self. Birth

Think of the universe as a void no life..... nothign at all..
Then About Our Birth our mother and father making us...Intercourse.
WE was nothing and poof...here we are.

Of course that is 2 matter's making matter.....

So what if this was all a void....Birth happen in the universe....

Would that not meen that the universe is alive?
THat possible we are nothing but microbe's cell's ect...
That give life to the Entity we live in?
Matter make's Matter..

But still there has to be Nothing at some time ....
Matter could not have allway's existed...infinatly........
I know this hard to grasp and me myself am finding it hard to grasp..
But please try to get my point as i will add more to my theory as i ponder on this....

Shall i continue my topic as i wreck my brain to understand it?
Or should i give up now?
rember the theroy's are a start in progress..
comment's apprecitated..
thank you

i completly see what your getting at. but there is one thing that you over looked... energy is not matter, yet energy exsists.

And what was the big bang?
-Energy exploding

Energy:

Energy is a concept that took over 150 years after Newton to develop. Energy can not be created or destroyed, only transfered from place to place. Energy is defined to be force times distance and is expressed in units of ergs (grams centimeter per second).

Huygens (1650's) was the first to develop the terminology, stating that:

energy is not like matter
energy does not have size, shape or occupy space
energy does not have inertia
Instead, it was defined that energy is a measure of the ability of a physical system to perform work (i.e. to change the system) and is measured in ergs.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by ucanneverdie]

The Universe appears to be a hologram made up of vibrations of sound...the word of god perhaps ?

If you break down matter down into its most fundamental basic parts such as Higgs Boson theory ( en.wikipedia.org... ) you will see that matter is nothing.

I somehow think our very existance is far more complex and can possilby never be comprehended by entities like us Humans, it may take something alot more intelligent than us to understand our experience.

Energy:

Energy is a concept that took over 150 years after Newton to develop. Energy can not be created or destroyed, only transfered from place to place. Energy is defined to be force times distance and is expressed in units of ergs (grams centimeter per second).

Huygens (1650's) was the first to develop the terminology, stating that:

energy is not like matter
energy does not have size, shape or occupy space
energy does not have inertia
Instead, it was defined that energy is a measure of the ability of a physical system to perform work (i.e. to change the system) and is measured in ergs.

at same time there had to be a point when there was nothing....not even energy
ok by this enrgy make's dirt wich make's inturn make's planet's gas's.
and life....

But still energy does not have size, shape or occupy space how can it create matter?
aka planet's gas h20 copper iron human's ect...

so there still has to be a point in time where there was nothing..
A viod.
no energy no matter.
Why becouse even energy if it's never dying had to come from some place
or from something...nothing in the universe is magical... it say's enrgy can not be destryoed nor created....
I know i am not a scientist ...just a bad thinker..

But can not be created.....yet exist......that sound's to be what we call god is it not?
can not be destroyed yet allway's existed...yet again sound's like the bible..and may have influenced his thinking when he gave up on the theory.

but still energy did not magicaly apear like a rabbit coming out of a hat.
Can you still get what i am saying there has to be a timeline that has nothing...Viod of energy viod of matter.....

i am trying to think hard how to explain what my mind is sayng lol
not a writer by no meen's so be patient... lol

And please leave info to anything that might help me on this ...lol

Ok i will try to explain again lol..........

How can anything energy or matter... exist..without ever not existing....

it simply can't To Exist meen's it had to at one time NOT Exist...
wich meen's energy and matter came from somewhere but where?

i heard some people saying while researching all this say...
EVRYTHING HAS A CREATOR... they was religuose of course

and by basic law's we go by now enrgy make's mass wich make's planet's wich make's life...

But no disrespect to Energy but Nothign can allway's exist but have never not existed...
had to be a point in wich there was No energy and No matter.
to even make what we call a universe....

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
i knew this is goign to rott my brain but i will convey what i am tryign to get out of my little brain...onto this keyboard i swear it....

PLEASE PLEASE leave info to help me... or to put me out this theory of at one time there was nothing & misery...lol
so i stop thinking ......

reply to post by beforetime


"Matter", Beforetime, is really patterns of energy.
They are woven in a myriad different ways, but the "raw material" is always the same, of course: energy. (Which is why I believe they could be replicated even after the destruction of each "prototype" - but that's fodder for a different chat. )

And "nothing" doesn't exist - of course. ; )

The Void.

Void of Vibration. Creation foundation.

From the Void all things came to be. The Void is infinite potentiality.

The Void is the infinite mind. All creation is intertwined.

Infinite potential had to be expressed. So the Void awoke in a state of distress.

From a thought that needed to Be. Fractalized non-locality.

Omniversal. Gravity dispersal.

Dimensionality.

Reality.

i rekon at this point i got basicly a few option's to figure out.

1 Can something truely exist with Out never not existing.

2 If what we call allways "existed" and never "Not existed"..Is wrong as with energy "Allways existed but can never Not exist"
Meens what we base law's math problem's to figure the universe out is wrong.
3 If energy truely Allways existed and has never not existed....Would that make it God?
by term's we call god make's all thing's possible...make's darkness light..
make's planet's out of thin air...Would energy be safe to place the name god on?

To exist anything has to not exist..period..unless there is some messed up way to explain this cause it's warpign my mind.

POOF you exist POOF i lied POOf you exist..

Maybe it's all in our mind's existance?
Maybe our brain can't figure this out simply becouse ""WE think there for we are""?
Sorry if this post bother's anyone but i am severly interested..

not to mention i got a mental image of nothing..........
then i thought to myself What would nothing look like?
Black?
Black is a color to have black meen's something still exist's....
So what would be nothing.............and how would nothign go POOOOOOF
a universe trillions of years later or how ever long.

this say's how time may not exist.......

discovermagazine.com...


a inset from the page...
The mother of all initial conditions, Lloyd says, was the Big Bang. Physicists believe that the universe started as a very simple, extremely compact ball of energy. Although the laws of physics themselves don’t provide for an arrow of time, the ongoing expansion of the universe does. As the universe expands, it becomes ever more complex and disorderly. The growing disorder—physicists call it an increase in entropy—is driven by the expansion of the universe, which may be the origin of what we think of as the ceaseless forward march of time.

Still even the big bang the energy ball would have had not to exist...
Nothign can exist without first not existing....
still there has to be a nothing....viod what ever you want to call it.



still lost people and btw...keep idea's a flying toward me...