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Ohio Job Losses Worst Since Great Depression

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posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 11:05 AM

Ohio Job Losses Worst Since Great Depression

Ten of Ohio’s metropolitan areas suffered plunging jobs in manufacturing that are even more severe than for the state as a whole. Over the past seven years Springfield lost 46.9 percent of its manufacturing jobs, Sandusky lost 36.5 percent, SteubenvilleWeirton 31.4 percent, Dayton 31.2 percent, Lima 30.7 percent, Canton 30.6 percent, Youngstown 27.3 percent, Mansfield 25.7 percent, Cleveland 25.2 percent and Columbus lost 24.4 percent.

Even the three areas with less precipitous manufacturing job losses than the state as a whole suffered severe losses. Akron lost 17.5 percent of its manufacturing jobs over the past seven years, Cincinnati lost 18.4 percent and Ohio lost 22.6 percent.

The U.S. lost a record 19.8 percent of its manufacturing jobs over the past seven years. The previous record, before recent years, was the loss of 14.6 percent from the peak of the World War II buildup in 1942 to the depth of the demobilization in 1949.

Record-smashing U.S. manufacturing trade losses (production shortages) totaled over $3.0 trillion over the past seven years as the full current account trade losses reached $4.3 trillion.

Together with the unprecedented loss of total jobs — particularly highly productive/high wage manufacturing jobs — the industries that are creating jobs in Ohio are also of concern. These jobs are almost entirely in less productive, lower-paying industries — including the low end of the “professional and business services” category — that cannot create export earnings to offset the cost of imported oil, autos, computers, clothing, etc. But with rising health care costs a serious obstacle for U.S. businesses and households alike, it is troubling that the vast majority of new jobs in Ohio are in private and public health care bureaucracies.

(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 11:05 AM
I wonder how many people in Ohio Reuters polled in their recent propeganda piece of how "most americans feel better about their future"? LOL You don't see the MSM reporting on this type of stuff, for sure.

How sad. We have literally been GUTTED as a nation through encouragement of outsourcing. This is a shining example of it.
(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 11:19 AM
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

I live in Dayton Ohio.. and it is painfully obvious how the economy is going..

This city revolves around 3 businesses..


General Motors.

Wright Patterson Air Force Base.

Delphi .. we all know the issues with them, essentially defunct and sending the rest of their jobs to Mexico.. same with GM.. they offered all hourly workers buy outs so that they to can get the hell out of here and find a cheap work force.

Wright Patt actually came close to closing, but the Air Force ended up closing the bases around the area and putting them with WP, such as Air National Guard posts and training facilities.. actually brought more jobs to the area. If the base goes, this entire city will litterally be a ghost town.

The only major new jobs in the city in the past few years have been new hostpitals.. a new building downtown where the regions offices for wellfare will be (ironic) and a new mall complex.

No wonder the state has one of the highest forclosure rates in the country.

Good article though, nice find.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 11:33 AM
Thanks for chiming in Rockpuck...It helps put things on a more personal level when people who are from these areas give their .02...The MSM is all but silent on these matters, and even when they do report on it, they always end it with some sort of spin where it's "temporary" and going to turn around soon. This has been going on for some time now, as we can clearly see.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 11:58 AM
You can get work in Ohio if you're willing to 'manufacture' burgers or tacos.

I live in Athens county, but Nelsonville is where I attend college. In Nelsonville, Rocky Boots got big bucks in tax cuts, then decided to shut down the factory and move the operation to the Dominican Republic (I think!) where the bottom line could grow by 1M a year.

I don't know anyone who still buys their product in that area, but someone must, because the retail outlet is still open and operating.

Corporations that choose to do this should have to pay sime kind of penalty.

Maybe it's just that capitalism and democracy aren't compatible.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:06 PM

Originally posted by themillersdaughter

Corporations that choose to do this should have to pay sime kind of penalty.

Unfortunately, it's exactly the opposite. They are given tax cuts / benefits for doing so. It is highlly encouraged by our gov, and they stand to see profit margins go through the roof with the way the system is set up. It's strange how our gov almost WANTS to gut our infrastructure through these policies.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:18 PM
what is our governments reasoning behind these benifits for outsourcing?

Just to have american " workers of the fast food elite "

I can see it now..........

Carl's Jr. Computer: "Enjoy your Extra Big-A$@ Fries."
Woman at Carl's Jr.: "You didn't gimmie no fries. I got an empty box."
Carl's Jr. Computer: "Would you like another Extra Big-A#$ Fries?"
Woman at Carl's Jr.: "I said I didn't get any."
Carl's Jr. Computer: "Thank you. Your account has been charged. Your balance is zero."
Woman at Carl's Jr.: "What?"
Carl's Jr. Computer: "Please come back when you can afford to make a purchase."
Woman at Carl's Jr.: "Oh, no, no, no!"
Carl's Jr. Computer: "I'm sorry you're having trouble."
Woman at Carl's Jr.: "Come on! My kids are starvin'."
Carl's Jr. Computer: "I'm sorry you're having trouble. (The machine blast her in the face with an unknown gas) This should help you calm down. Please come back when you can afford to make a purchase. Your kids are starving. Carl's Jr. believes no child should go hungry. You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr. Carl's Jr. 'Bleep you, I'm eating'."

[edit on 24-2-2008 by Trance Optic]

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:23 PM
reply to post by Trance Optic

Lobbying and kickbacks....It's one big circle jerk of amassing wealth. They scratch each other's backs at the expense of the blue collar americans. Wealthy getting wealthier, poor getting poorer. The little man is non-existent to these entities.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:28 PM
The tax cuts and benefits were giving to them to hire Americans workers. Not to move their business to another country. This been going on way before Clinton became President. Maybe before President Reagan.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:32 PM
I also live in Ohio and a lot of big plants have closed but there still are tons of places to get jobs. People just might have to move to those locations. Many of Ohio problem areas seem to be isolated to specific locations and cities. I know some guys in manufacturing working for PCC Airfoils and Timken Steel that who are working 60 hours a week right now with overtime. Even here in Columbus OH you can almost walk in off the street at the Target Distribution Warehouse and start at 15 dollars an hour - with raises every 90 days. A guy from my fantasy football league has been working there for less than 2 years and makes $18-19 per hour (and gets all the overtime he can handle). That is not terrible for a person in this State with only a High School Education. I do know one big plant that close in the Canton area was the Hoover (vacuum cleaners) plant. That knocked a lot of people out of work but they had been in and out of financial trouble for the past 10 years.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:36 PM
This is why the Republicans are going to not only lose this election cycle but lose by a rout.

Just count the number of rats in congress from the Republican party that are stepping down and almost none from the Democrats are.

Between 1994 and 2006 the Republicans had first congress and then the white house in a stranglehood and despite all of their rhetoric to the contrary (like how well the stock market is doing) all we have to show for it is a deepening recession.

They haven't done jack for the average Joe and it shows, and what bodes ill for them is that Joe knows it.

this is the moodiest and unsettled political season I have seen since 1968, and in many ways, much more so because the discontent is so broad based.

This is also why Clinton doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected... she is the status quo candidate of the Democratic party and people are sick to death of the status quo.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by grover]

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:44 PM
I live in Toledo and I can't find part time work.

I wanted to get something a couple or 3 days a week in the evenings, just some extra income to pay off some bills.

Nope, can't find part time, but there's full time work available all over.

I guess no one wants full time work in Toledo.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:46 PM
No surprise. We in Michigan have had it even worse for the whole duration of the neo Repulican regime. The red voting states were promised by the Rep party to see better economic times. Another lie from a party of liars and criminals (all closet of course). More money than ever is being diverted to corporate and special interest pockets all thanks to Dubya and his gang of Raiders.
Rep = Easily dupped never the wiser.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 12:50 PM
reply to post by elevatedone

That is weird. Does Toledo have temp services like Manpower, ACT I or Iforce? I know those types of places can get temp work.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by zerotime]

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 03:26 PM
Right.. so its Republicans fault that companies are leaving the country?

Here I thought it was the neo-socialist unions that rape big companies that often force them to go to poorer countries where they don't have to pay a guy $35 an hour to work an assembly line plus insane benefits.

I believe buy outs at GM are around 120-160k a person...

But hey, thanks for bringing political nonesense into the conversation..

I agree with some of the posters that there should be tax penalties against corporations that move out of the country.. not their corporate headquarters, but their plants..

They should have to pay steep tarrifs on all goods they import to America..

But unions need to do their part as well, and stop being so greedy.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 08:45 PM
To the republican that responded it isn't there fault companies are leaving, of course they are, they OWN THEM. They give the tax breaks to there own companies and the companies of there friends. The last eight years of complete incompetence and thievery by this administration should be a criminal act, but of course they make those rules too. I live in Ohio, and it has been devastated by the incompetence for years of republican masters of Ohio, and more recently by the depression decade of the idiot in charge. Work, actual work, not menial target jobs or burger flipping, is very hard to find for anyone. Also, about unions, there what keeps things fair, otherwise republicans wouldn't have companies because people would burn them down for safety issues or shoot them up like they did before there were any, with the exception of the auto unions which are out of hand. Only republican's think workers shouldn't have a fair wage.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 09:44 PM
First, I am not a Republican.

Secondly, the last Republican that was Governor of which you are speaking about.. Taft... had left the Republican ticket right after he got elected.

Ask any Republican.. what party was Taft? Democrat. Republicans just elected him.

Companies are not leaving because they get tax breaks for leaving.. because they dont get benefits from the country for leaving..

They get cheaper labor, they get laxed enviromental standards, they get NO tarriffs at all because of Free Trade -- the real criminal act right there --

Essentially.. America is only good enough to buy, not produce.. which eventually we will self consume. You cannot produce nothing and spend like there is no tomorow..

I think we essentially agree on the topic, I just hate political BS. Theres a problem, well it has to be the Reps/Dems fault!!!!
Off sets the REAL issues.

posted on Feb, 24 2008 @ 10:23 PM
Much of it comes from former Gov. Taft and his tax schemes that bankrupted the state coffers: Changed and over taxed businesses and factories that forced them to leave and then in despiration changed sales tax laws to include intangibles such as labor (mowing yards), storage facillities (U-Store-It), hotels stays, medical services (just turn your head and cough). Oddly enough lawyer per hour rates were exempt (or adjusted and covered, like sales taxes on theater concessions).

Michigan is not much better. The insurrection will start in the midwest surely. I just hope the rest of the nation is ready when we are otherwise it will be a quick rebellion.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by Ahabstar]

posted on Feb, 25 2008 @ 09:00 AM
Of course its not ALL the Republicans fault... blame greedy corporations for one... at the same time the Republicans have been the dominate political force, either in the presidency or congress or both since 1980 to the present (28 years) and so have to accept responsiblity for their actions. Clinton was president for only 8 of those years.... as a result despite your best efforts you can't blame it all on him or the Democrats.

posted on Feb, 25 2008 @ 11:13 AM
Seems adding to Ohio's bleak situation is that the Housing crisis has hit the state exceptionally hard...Not good when streets in certain neighborhoods only have 1 or 2 occupied homes. Ouch.

Ohio on front line in U.S. Housing meltdown

CLEVELAND (Reuters) - The U.S. housing meltdown has struck cities and neighborhoods throughout the country, but it has hit few places harder than Cleveland's Slavic Village.

On some streets in the neighborhood - named for the Polish and Czech immigrants who settled here - only one or two houses are occupied. The rest are boarded up and slowly rotting.

"This is what you get when lenders run rampant," said Mark Seifert, executive director of a local nonprofit, the East Side Organizing Project, referring to what critics call "predatory" lending practices prevalent during the U.S. property boom.


[edit on 25-2-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

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