I can see the point you're trying to make, and I guess they could be accurate concerns, but your 'statement 5' has all sorts of problems with it.

Firstly, that you call Anonymous 'hacker children'. That is ridiculous, I don't think you are very familiar with them.

Firstly, you assume only children can be involved in pranking. They're not, adults can have fun like that too. Secondly, you assume children and/or pranksters would not be interested in socially complex issues. Essentially, you think those who take pleasure in the misfortune of others who like bathroom humour, can't be interested in victims of cults or the good of society overall and the defeat of evil. This is really just generalization based upon biases.

Most of Anonymous' actions have been anonymous, and involve DDOS attacks on Scientology websites, prank phone calls, etc. The protests are often done wearing masks, or in groups without providing names, so it is still somewhat anonymous. I do think that those having gatherings are perhaps slightly deviating from the idea of anonymous as they don't seem very vigilant about wearing masks, and it seems that prior existing anti-scientology groups are taking advantage of this by attending these things, I saw a woman in one video who was obviously like that, wasn't using /b/ humour or anything.

You also don't need to be a 'hacker' to do any of this stuff. Fact is, some people familiar with technology provide links to guides on how to do stuff like DDOS, which is how you learn to do it. Do you get your info from Fox News? HAckers on steroids!

I guess in theory you could have government members familiar with Anonymous, and who might propose an operation to inject memes and hope that public favour turns this way. This would require a lot of familiarity, and the thing is, you can't really force Anonymous to do something they wouldn't already do. Whether it was a random idea or one created by the government, it doesn't matter.

The public has been aware of Scientology and related things for a long time. South Park played a big part in this. There are lots of scientology websites, and lots of videos on places like YouTube. In fact, YouTube is what initiated this protest. It was linked to a key event where Scientology 'bit' by suing Google to take a private video down, one which most people had already seen to begin with.

It's not as if the protests began out of nowhere, there was an event that the public reacted to. I guess the government might have taken efforts to enhance the reaction, but who cares? They didn't need to, it was going to happen anyway.

If you want to create conspiracy theories regarding the government, I would look further back to what was influencing the public's attitudes to begin with, such as South Park, or to go even further back, who was releasing information, creating anti-scientology web sites that spread and discussed information, and who was controlling media centres which centred around discussions of celebrities who were members of scientology being such.

To look even deeper, anti-scientology manipulation may not even be anti-scientology. Persecuted groups often gain public sympathy. It is possible that scientology publicized celebrities who were members, and then initiated attacks on them through seeding the media with rumours, perhaps even inflated rumours regarding the nature of their organization, so it would look like enemies of the organization were concocting stories to make them look bad, fearing something legitimate. This does seem to be the response you hear from Scientology.

For example, if it turned out that documents regarding Xenu weren't even real and he wasn't even a part of the religion, the critics who spread those ideas would be looked upon badly, and it would be very difficult to be a Scientology critic in the future due to critics of it being looked upon badly. Basically, it might be the presentation of a straw man opponent who will be defeated.

Hello mister.old.school

I mean no disrespect, but what you suggest is not only false, it can not possibly be true. It can't be true not because I said so, not because I can't concieve such a thing happening, but because that is simply not how Anonymous works.

I must say, you have looked at a lot of evidence which may lead you to believe so, but the flaw in your theory is that you do not know who Anonymous is, or what Anonymous does, or how Anonymous operates, etc.

And yes, I am part of Anonymous, and I can guarantee that Anonymous can never be controlled, swayed, influenced, lead, etc.

You need to be a long-time member of Anonymous to understand all this fully, but basically we are an anarchist organisation, spanning countless websites, image-boards, forums, IRC channels, etc.
And there is much much more to it than that.


So quite simply, once again - I mean no disrespect, but what you suggest is quite simply impossible.


Thanks.

Originally posted by leftydave
Greetings

The other day, in my old home town of Clearwater, a band of masked, paramilitary acting, so called "protesters", stormed downtown, trying to create fear in the minds of the citizens...calling Scientology a cult and demanding...well I don't know what they were demanding...but one thing was clear....most weren't from Clearwater !!They were trucked in from elsewhere, and were well led by military acting "observers" who broke them up in three groups, and surrounded the "churchs'" facilities. It was reminicent of brown shirt activities of Germany in the 30's, and the tactics and last names of the few who were interviewed gave away who they really were !!

Look, anyone with half a brain knows religion has caused nearly ALL of the conflicts of the last 3000 years...the wars, the organized crime, the blatant 'love us-hate them' attitudes that encompass the world today. This felt like one religion attacking another, pure and simple.

But today it was in our own back yard and was the most despicable action I ever saw in my own city by the bay....since cops here started dressing like terrorists to make arrests !!!

I got a real bad feeling in the pit of my stomach when I watched the news,(St Pete Times !!)(Fox news) who generally criticize and condemn nearly all protests in our town, swing their coverage on the side of the " masked insurgents" !!!

(Addendum) Your piece above sites government responsibility...maybe you're right...but Zealots/Zionists are controlling our government...so it''s one and the same.

Blessings

lefty-dave

I dunno why you're panicking. There are hundreds of thousands of luciferians out there, in nearly every conceivable secret society, fraternal order and even mainstream religions like gnosticism and gnostic christianity. If you seriously think this is some concentrated effort to remove your freedom of religion, you should consider yourself welcome to the club of people down threw history who have been harrassed and maligned for their beliefs. your case is not unique in the history of humankind. and pretending this is a problem of religious bigotry is going to be the undoing if your entire train of logical thought. the problem isn't religion. it's people. WE are the problem, not the guy nextdoor or the guy down the street or the people in the road or the people who worship penises or whatever. it's human beings being lead aruond by the nose hairs. Think it threw to the logical conclusion and all you find standing there is; people.

Tsakara. I hear that anonymous is carrying out protests. Is there truth to this? How long do they plan to do this for?

I think that, while it is possible that the FBI/NSA may have had a hand in setting up annonymous and directing these attacks against Scientology, it is more likely that Scientology itself could have set up this group as a front in order to identify and entrap critics of their organization, though I tend to discount that at this point, too. I believe that this was a determined attack against a cult that has has harmed people more than it has helped them. Of course, if someone does have the proof in documentary form that the NSA/FBI or Scientology has set this up, I am more than willing to take a look at it.

well i think the only thing i find suspicious about anon is the phrase "We do not forgive." that makes them seem like they have no compassion or the ability to forgive others. this is not the kind of PR you want to present to a world filled with people who are taught forgiveness is the ultimate solution to all of life's ills.

i agree that injustice is bad.
but two wrongs have never made a right.
the idea is missing logic.