Oh and rather edit to add this, I feel this warrants a post all by itself:

The thing that urks me is that on this very public, very busy forum, anon & scientology are getting even more attention

Isn't anon getting enough as it is? Is anon now using ATS for the recruitment and marketing of their agenda? How very pathetic.

Pay for and manage your own site and market yourselves! Rather than leeching off public domains!!!!

I don't care whether anon is a group of people, an organisation or even a Govt initiative; I feel anon is nothing more than spam

I have noticed an increase in topics authored by new members all banging the anonymous drum. On this very thread, we have a member called anonomous number whatever.

The anon agenda is ugly, it is offensive and undemocratic. It isn't even intelligent. Their agenda breaches fundamental civil liberties; the Individual's privacy and rights.

EDIT: If a group of people were genuinely committed to a cause, why the need for violence and assaults? Why the terror undertone or secrecy?

Why not just come out and say, this is who we are and this is where our head office is and we can be contacted here!





[edit on 3-3-2008 by Thurisaz]

Originally posted by helatrobus
Are you saying mr.old.school and his backers tried to start another hoax here? It runs very similar to what happened on that thread.

Not at all. I haven't seen anything in his posting history that would indicate he does anything but attempt to expose hoaxes.

My point was, that Scientology cult members have been caught being involved in Internet hoaxes. Just another data-point about the cult and one tactic observed here.

Originally posted by Thurisaz
HAY GUYZ WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

I HAVE NOT READ ANY OF IT AND WANT TO REITERATE POINTS MADE ALREADY MANY TIMES AND DISPROVED JUST AS MANY TIMES LOL

Isn't anon getting enough as it is? Is anon now using ATS for the recruitment and marketing of their agenda? How very pathetic.

This thread wasn't started by an anon. We just came here to join the discussion. Given that this is a public site, we have as much right to be here as you do.

Pay for and manage your own site and market yourselves! Rather than leeching off public domains!!!!

We do.
www.enturbulation.org
www.exscientologykids.com
www.partyvan.info
www.encyclopediadramatica.com
And so on.

Also, I don't think you really understand the term "public domain."

I have noticed an increase in topics authored by new members all banging the anonymous drum. On this very thread, we have a member called anonomous number whatever.

OH GOD NO SOMEONE FROM ANONYMOUS JOINED OUR FORUM

The anon agenda is ugly, it is offensive and undemocratic. It isn't even intelligent. Their agenda breaches fundamental civil liberties; the Individual's privacy and rights.

What the hell are you talking about?
The right to speak one's opinion and act on it within the limits of the law is one of the very underpinnings of democracy.
How do we breach anyone's privacy or rights? We don't follow anyone to their house, Scientologists do. We don't send private investigators after anyone, the Scientologists do. The Scientologists are the ones who infringe on the freedom of speech and freedom of association of its current members, ex members and critics.

Did you even do any research or did you decide to come in here and say some dumb stuff that's been disproven many times already in the thread? Back your statements up with facts.

EDIT: If a group of people were genuinely committed to a cause, why the need for violence and assaults? Why the terror undertone or secrecy?

What violence? Are you insane? So far there has not been ONE case of an Anonymous member being violent. As to the secrecy, again, it's been covered MANY times. Just research Fair Game. We don't want the CoS to come after us for daring to criticize them.

Why not just come out and say, this is who we are and this is where our head office is and we can be contacted here!

We don't HAVE a head office.

We can be contacted at, for example, enturbulation.org.

We are people. We're just people who saw this and said this is not right, we have to take a stand.

One of the interesting things about this (I hadn't seen the thread before) is its clear illustration of certain advantages of anonymity in on-line discussion,

Quite ironic hey...The very thing they are attacking Anon for they are doing themselves.

Originally posted by helatrobus
Both seem to have a greater agenda.

Both disapear when their theory is exposed.

My only agenda is to expose falsehoods and speculate on the covert manipulation behind current events.

And, here I am. I apologize if my busy offline life has inspired your conjecture in unproductive directions.

Originally posted by candlelight32
I'm definitely not a Scientologist or Anonymous supporter. The Anonymous vs. Scientology attack was a first to me anyway. I know the war between the wikipedia admins and a number of other groups against Scientology has been going for awhile but found the way this whole thing is "advertised" alarming. For instance I'm starting to very much dislike how the magazine "wired.com" has behaved concerning this. They are just as biased as the rest of the them which is their prerogative, but illuminating to me.

If "we" don't like a group of people, say witches, then should "we" burn them at the stake?

Its the control and manipulation of the group mind. The tactics that Anonymous is using is exactly what they accuse Scientology of doing, except they don't get paid. I saw a video called "The Lucifer Effect" which I think describes what is happening here - how to make good people do bad things. By here I mean with both Scientology and Anonymous. If Anonymous really think getting rid of Scientology will solve the problem then they know little of history.

Your interest in this story, knowledge of the Church's battles elsewhere on the Internet, and interest in such recurring CoS themes as mind control, religious persecution, and historicism are fascinating. If it were offered that the target of criticism were not Scientology, but a Church leadership criticized repeatedly from many sides, I wonder what your response might be.

Originally posted by mister.old.school
My only agenda is to expose falsehoods and speculate on the covert manipulation behind current events.

And, here I am. I apologize if my busy offline life has inspired your conjecture in unproductive directions.

I think his somewhat baseless conjecturing shows just how easy it is to make baseless conjectures and present them as valid theories. :V

Another anthrax sending, cyber terrorists, hate crime spreading evil alien infested, destructor of world peace, protestor.


This is Why.

since i came to this thread i've been battling with an email worm that sends out random emails without my knowledge or consent, it's using up the remaining cycles of my computer. i'm too poor to buy another, so i will become a virtual prisoner in my home after this (i'm handicapped).

do you folks know how i can get rid of this worm? i don't know what it's called yet because i haven't been able to successfully find it much less remove it

oh and as a side note, someone started posting porn on my mmorpg forums around the same time as this started. and i had to close them down. even though they weren't technically open for usage by anyone other than me anyway. i set them as admin only, came back and someone had reset it back to everyone, and reposted more porn. so i had to close it.

at this juncture i should mention that participation in this thread has been bad news, regardless of who is right or wrong and now i would just like to know what to do to fix my comp.


[edit on 4-3-2008 by undo]

Both disapear when their theory is exposed.

My only agenda is to expose falsehoods and speculate on the covert manipulation behind current events.

And, here I am. I apologize if my busy offline life has inspired your conjecture in unproductive directions.

Can you just state the truth? Are you or have you ever had affiliations with the Scientology?

What are those experiences?

Why don't you ever address rebutals?

Can you do so now please? Particularly the ones regarding the criminal history of L R Hubbard and The Churc of Scientology including current crimes being done which it has not stopped.

Thnak you.