reply to post by pavlovsdog
I'm not going to spend too much time on this because:
1) I know what I know and have researched the historical texts that confirm much of what BW has said regarding the fate of the apostes.
2) The topic is not what the thread is about.
3) I'm just one of those crazy little illogical, irrational Christian nutties and no one is going to listen to a thing I say anyways and will
consider me a
but here we go from what I know off the top of my head:
I'll focus on James the Just because he is the easiest of them all, the account comes from a non Christian historical source, and to show how in the
end we'll still be left with bias. I don't have the time or desire to do the research for everyone here regarding all the figures previous mentioned
for the three reasons mentioned above. The accounts are there if you are willing to learn and search.
Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus,
[who was called Christ], whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as
breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy
at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no
more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from
Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent.
-Jospehus, Antiquities of the Jews XX, 9.
Then the rest of the account continues as to what James endured and why. So, James was accused of breaking the Jewish law. Why? Well, according to the
Bible he wasn't following the law because He accepted Jesus as the Messiah. Sounds like the same thing Jesus was accused of: Blasphemy. Read the
above and linked context and you can see the kangaroo court and that the general consensus was that he was murdered under false pretenses.
Now, Christians, including myself, will certainly see it as James, the brother of Jesus, suffering death for his belief, under the false accusation of
blasphemy, and dying for the faith.
Skeptics will say it was a Christian interpolation (regardless of the fact such speculation has never been proven), or that we don't know if Josephus
is reliable witness (he is immensely valuable as a historian), or if this hearsay (although there is no reason to believe it is), or that it
contradicts with later accounts (I would say so but I like to use the earliest and least biased source which happens to be the above), etc. We're
left then proving the source as well as the account. The agony goes on and the original topic drifts further into oblivion and I age ten years due to