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reply to post by Dar Kuma

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I've just had a look at the pics you posted...very impressive location!

Some off-the-top-of-the-head post-x ideas:

The steel door appears to open outwards from your fotos...If the electricity were to run from a 'protected' 240v supply (or even a jerry-rigged 12v DC vehicle-battery bank) then perhaps if you had a couple of large sections of steel beam you could make a couple of braces that would overlap the concrete doorframes as anchor braces across the doorframe and as an anchor point for an electromagnet to hold the door shut from the inside (It would be ideal to weld a couple of jamb-overlapping braces to the outside of the body of the door, opposite the hinged side to prevent the door being blown inwards should an explosive breach-charge be used)

The drainage holes in the floorpan of the interior...if you can make some simple periscopes from plastic drain tube and a pair of mirrors to be poked through, you would have the ability to observe and monitor the valley below and anyone attempting to gain access to either end-door at the top of the embankments.

The road deck: The approaches to either end could be prepared with 4" nails driven into the tarmac allowing 2" above the road surface and barely the width of a car's wheel-track to shred vehicle tyres, forcing unsuspecting intruders to the villiage community beyond to abandon vehicles enabling your community to strip the vehicles for usable components.

also, i'm not sure its possible, but the tarmac surfacing could possibly be stripped off and burnt as a fuel source?

The water supply: The pipes look to be drainage to move rainwater accumulating on the road-deck to on outfall, perhaps they could be tapped to fill water butts?

Also, the interior looks very long and narrow, if a sizeable group of people were inside and the access points breached, it would be a turkey-shoot for the attacker. I'd build staggered alternating 'blast-walls' to prevent a direct line-of-sight fire down the length of the structure.

just a thought..

[edit on 29-4-2008 by citizen smith]

I think it's an excellent idea...any others up for the challenge?

here's my suggestion for a location...it's a little out the way but accessible by train too for those of us, like myself that don't drive, and is a rather amazing and spacious place..cut off at high tide, and as basic as you like

Shell Island, Harlech, Wales

i like the periscope idea, very clever

I have looked at the door myself and it is pretty warped from being forced open in the first place.
so fabrication of strengthening supports either side is essential.

i also like the idea of the nails in the road, you could barter some of the items that you have after stripping the vehicles with other groups of people elsewhere, Or completely taking the vehicle to be stripped in the valley leaving nothing in the road, with nothing to indicate life people would feel safer leaving their vehicle there

The water part is good, im not sure about the drainage though but there is a drain on the left you could funnel water, ill take a pic tomorrow.

And those blast walls are ideal, good idea, they could be made from stripped car panels

two components that should be sought out and kept...

batteries for obvious reasons

airbag-charges could easily be fashioned into command-unit/electro-switch detonated AP IEDs! (i'll not go into anymore detail on those for obvious T&C reasons!)



Ever seen door panels perforated by bullets on shows like mythbusters?

I'd make 'em out of Gabions fashioned from welded chainlink fencing and rubble


[edit on 29-4-2008 by citizen smith]

Rev. Wright

yeah, definately keep the batteries

i'll U2U you...

car panels with rubber from car tyres should work well when layered to form a suitable blast panel.

rubber, car panel, rubber, car panel, rubber, car panel, rubber

[edit on 29-4-2008 by Dar Kuma]

for some reason the links not working for me any ideas on how i could sort it my internet connection is'nt very good maybe thats whats wrong? i tried removing the http etc...still no joy

citizen smith...the idea of electromagnetically locking the door is genius! they dont require a large ammount of power and one could be jerry-rigged easily enough

www.lashen.com...

the link above is a site that sells ready made ones, the one at the top would run off 12V so you wouldnt have to use the power lines and if the main power was knocked out it would still take a bull to get the door open

fred, try this one

Restricted Area

the url is
joselegend.zzl.org...

cheers Dar Kuma that link works fine what a place! i didnt imagine there would be so much room, i doubt anyone would be able to kick that door through if it had a sturdy locking mechanism attached. It looks like you could live there indefinitely with the right supplies.
I see theres fluorescent lighting throughout have you tested any of them yet i can see at least one is working fine in shaft 3! it looks like the power outlets and the lighting are on different circuits so you could have lighting as well as 240V, plenty of uni strut (I think its uni strut?) to hang things on

all in all i think that looks like a fantastic place for a sit x i'm well impressed by it, your'e so lucky to have something like that near well done finding it

I noticed the light myself, thats what made me take the last pic really, Im not sure about how to turn them on.
there was a large junction box at the other end by the manhole entrance so there my well be a switch in there that turns them on.

quote citizen smith
"If the electricity were to run from a 'protected' 240v supply (or even a jerry-rigged 12v DC vehicle-battery bank) then perhaps if you had a couple of large sections of steel beam you could make a couple of braces that would overlap the concrete doorframes as anchor braces across the doorframe and as an anchor point for an electromagnet to hold the door shut from the inside (It would be ideal to weld a couple of jamb-overlapping braces to the outside of the body of the door, opposite the hinged side to prevent the door being blown inwards should an explosive breach-charge be used)"

I would need to see a diagram, im a visual creature

[edit on 30-4-2008 by Dar Kuma]

Have you got a back up plan for the electrics!?

Personally and this is just my opinion I don't think that the power will be on for that long...the people that maintain the infrastructure..will be off and looking after their families..money will be worthless! so will they go to work.??..I can understand the plan short term .....each to their own I suppose!!lol

yes, i do have a back up plan.
get a big generator, you know the ones councils use when they put up traffc lights.

but seriously, if it isnt a nuclear war or emp then i think the electric will still keep running to major supplies only, and thats the good thing about being in a bridge, the electrics will more than likely come straight off one of the major supplies.

reply to post by Dar Kuma

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OK!! so how much fuel are you going to store..and most importantly ...are you doing it now...? ...time is limited at the moment resources are going to get more expensive..souds like there is a lot to do..moving metal, generators ,tools etc

I see a completely different scenario...done my preparation and have a plan B...because I know ...there will be very little time to get out when things get bad!! I just hope me and mine are lucky and I see the signs in enough time to do a runner and get as far out of the city and away from people as possible!!lol

Yours is a good plan..but I think time rescources are very limited ...thats unless of course you have already started on these works!!

Like I said ..just my opinion!

There is one difference between you and me and that is that i dont live in or near any big cities.
And no, i havnt even started stockpiling, as for getting metal i'll go to a scrap yard.
one thing i will be buying soon is one of those yellow jackets, that way i wont be questioned when working on the door before it happens, they'll just think im working for the council

blending in is possibly the best thing you can do

[edit on 30-4-2008 by Dar Kuma]

Well if some other council workers see you ...I reckon there will be about four that will congregate round you and watch you work!! lol

So how long do you think you have got !!?? and what if you don't get as far as getting the bolthole prepared!! ??...your works sound like a lot of man hours!!

typical of council workers i guess, just standing round watching other people work



its quite a lot of work yes, but hopefully the outside fortification will be done, inside i can work without being seen or interupted.

Dar Kuma next time you visit the bridge check round the entrance for a switch (or the remains them pesky kids might of destroyed it) if there isnt one check the two boxes in your photograph, if there the breaker boxes there should be a switch in one of them flipped up which means its tripped.
if you know anybody with some electrical expirience ask them to take a look it shouldnt be to hard to get the lights back on
good luck!

I know a little about electric but not for anything major like this, allthough i will be making another trip to the bridge so i will also look at how to open the junction boxes.
probably a special key?

maybe a pair of long nose pliers will do....

Having had another good look at the site fotos there could be another way to secure the door still using the electromagnet idea, and at the same time enable you to hoist heavy stuff up that steep embankment...

If you look at this pic you took:

joselegend.zzl.org...

...below the blue capped lightswitch/powerpoint on the wall there are support-feet for the shaft. If you ran a few lengths of chain around that footing and attached one end of a pulley-block, then ran ropes (with a decent breaking strength, such mountain-climbing-rope) through it and attched to another pulley-block with the electromagnet on the end, you could clamp the magnet to the steel door, and then pull and hold it closed.

At the same time, if you need to haul up barrels of water or other heavy supplies from the bottom of the ravine you use the same system of block-and-tackle to haul up the slope and in through the door

The advantage of this method is that you don't need to lug up prefabricated parts to the area to weld door-braces as first suggested, and if you need to leave in a hurry, you could take the rope and pulley system with you to the next location for heavy-lifting uses



[edit on 30-4-2008 by citizen smith]

sounds like a plan, i can get my head round that better

hopefully if i get enough people with me it would be a worthwhile fortress worthy of defending.