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reply posted on 18-3-2008 @ 03:24 AM by neshnay


Hello all,

Got given a link to this page by a good mate of mine as we constantly talk about such a topic, end of the world kinda thing, social revolution etc etc. Im liking the idea of a survival group discussion board where ideas can be exchanged and what not. However a lot more clarification is needed in my opinion.
Your talkin about survival kits yet what are you hoping to survive? We need to list possable situations and the kit needed for that incident. Then when we have a list of different survival kits, compare them and look for items that are common to them all, and go from there. All other items can be add ons to other kits.



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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 06:32 AM by spymaster



Originally posted by freakyclown
A sound idea, however I think the following would be a better way to plan.

rather than just have one big meeting point, split the country up into sectors and have each sector have its own group, each group can then act as an independent cell if needed in any sitX.
[edit on 7-3-2008 by freakyclown]


Yep Good Idea, IMO Sectors would = counties which would mean:
86 Regional sectors which could then be divided up into sub-sectors?

First things first though, we are not going to get anywhere without the following:
Food
Water
Shelter
Medical
and of course...A PLAN.....because without a plan you are going to be running around like"a headless chicken" and you are NOT going to get anywhere.

Get a couple of "rucksacks or sports bags" one for each member of the family and make sure they have these items at the minimum to get them to a "designated point" of meeting them.
Food: (just enough) maybe some chocholate, crisps, chewing gum.
Water: (you can never have enough) but a large (ex juice) bottle filled with water, to tie them over until they reach the D.P.
Shelter: This could be in the form of a simple "pac-a-mac"
Medical: Just a small first aid kit would do.
Map: of the local area
Torch: just a small lightweight one will do.

The above it just for getting you / family members to a meeting point.

From there the list is endless, if this thread continues i will be happy to contribute more.



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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 07:20 AM by mr-lizard


First of all, a lot of people are talking about 'WHEN' the sh*t hits the fan and not 'IF', which i think is a bleak and negative outlook which doesn't do much for morale what?
We're British, calm down... two sugars, milky and a biscuit and a nice sit down, think before we act.

Stay realistic.

First of all think Ray Mears, not James Bond, keep calm and don't run around being a hero.

Let's have a look at some other stuff we may not have covered.

Are we talking bad weather? The UK is only small and therefore there's a chance of everywhere being affected. If its cold/violently windy/stormy then stay indoors until it fades, keep warm and contact people.
If you're caught outdoors, then immediately seek shelter and warmth, preferably somwhere with water.

If it's some form of virus/nuclear or space zombie outbreak or terrorist attack scenario, then stay away from infected areas, crowds and animals.

Roads: Will be impossible to drive anywhere (think a permanent state of rush hour / road rage due to panic, frustration and impatience), the roads will no doubt be damaged, blocked or sealed off.

Other transport:

Trains and buses - all no use. They'll be either inoperable or full to the brim.

I'd suggest looking for a ferry or a boat and getting the hell out of the UK (although I dunno the reactions of the Coast guards would be?), if that's impossible then get to undamaged areas...

use a bicycle's (three times faster than walking even with a rucksack) if it is safe to get outside, then stay away from major areas, use back routes and fields, not major roads.

Get out of the cities, rural places may be less infected (depending what it is) but don't assume anything.

Stay away from crowds, it's easier to keep a cool head in smaller numbers, crowds are known to riot, loot and crush each other.
If the crowd is going one way, slip away and go somewhere else.

Stick with people you know, stay calm and focused and keep morale up (a pack of playing cards can get you through many a grim affair).

Mobile phones will either be inoperable or jammed.

If the internet is still available email friends and family. But don't rely on anything, as a culture (like many) we have become lazy and sub-consciously rely on luxuries and tools (electric tin opener not working?), don't rely on the TV for information, use your own brains... think!

Avoid looting (at least in public), the police or military may have orders to shoot.
Don't walk around with guns visible, the military will see you as a threat and take you out, this is not the wild west.

Carry bottled water everywhere! Chocolate bars, nuts, crisps.

A portable (preferably two way) radio and spare batteries... a road map (again don't rely on GPS - the satellites may be knackered.

Pain killers (tooth ache? Unless your with a dentist, you're gonna be in a lot of pain);
Tents, cooking equipment and gas cannister, bowl, fork, a sharp knife, spare rope/string/gaffer tape/waterproof sleeping bag/water purification tablets (available from most camping stores), try and get a whistle and a mirror for signalling. Matches and lighter, two torches (can't find your torch in the dark?)

Do not attempt anything stupid... Unless its a matter or life and death, then don't be jumping off the jetty onto that speeding boat, you're not Al Carney.

If you're being pursued by dogs for whatever reason, then cross water (only if you know its shallow enough and can trust the currents) and double back on yourself and create false leads (piss in a coke can and throw it down a valley for instance).

Remember that helicopters have heat seeking cameras (if for example you need to signal a rescue helicopter then light a fire, if on the other hand you are being pursued by people in helicopters then remember that a cave or tunnel may be a better option than sleeping in a barn for instance).

Use your instincts when meeting strangers, are they just frightened or are they shifty, in other words don't trust everyone, but don't be paranoid either.

If you do manage to set up some form of shelter then keep a stock of fuel, gather food and supplies if possible and keep yourself busy with tasks and repairs, its better to be active and busy than gloomy and thinking about them bloody zombies or whatever.

Peace



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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 07:48 AM by spymaster



Originally posted by mr-lizard
We're British, calm down... two sugars, milky and a biscuit and a nice sit down, think before we act.

Hahahah...but true


Originally posted by mr-lizardFirst of all think Ray Mears, not James Bond, keep calm and don't run around being a hero.

Again true, bringing me to my point of having " a plan"


Originally posted by mr-lizardRoads: Will be impossible to drive anywhere (think a permanent state of rush hour / road rage due to panic, frustration and impatience), the roads will no doubt be damaged, blocked or sealed off.

Other transport:

Trains and buses - all no use. They'll be either inoperable or full to the brim.

use a bicycle's (three times faster than walking even with a rucksack) if it is safe to get outside, then stay away from major areas, use back routes and fields, not major roads.

Get out of the cities, rural places may be less infected (depending what it is) but don't assume anything.

Stay away from crowds, it's easier to keep a cool head in smaller numbers, crowds are known to riot, loot and crush each other.
If the crowd is going one way, slip away and go somewhere else.

Stick with people you know, stay calm and focused and keep morale up (a pack of playing cards can get you through many a grim affair).

Mobile phones will either be inoperable or jammed.

If the internet is still available email friends and family. But don't rely on anything, as a culture (like many) we have become lazy and sub-consciously rely on luxuries and tools (electric tin opener not working?), don't rely on the TV for information, use your own brains... think!

Avoid looting (at least in public), the police or military may have orders to shoot.
Don't walk around with guns visible, the military will see you as a threat and take you out, this is not the wild west.

Carry bottled water everywhere! Chocolate bars, nuts, crisps.

A portable (preferably two way) radio and spare batteries... a road map (again don't rely on GPS - the satellites may be knackered.

Pain killers (tooth ache? Unless your with a dentist, you're gonna be in a lot of pain);
Tents, cooking equipment and gas cannister, bowl, fork, a sharp knife, spare rope/string/gaffer tape/waterproof sleeping bag/water purification tablets (available from most camping stores), try and get a whistle and a mirror for signalling. Matches and lighter, two torches (can't find your torch in the dark?)

Do not attempt anything stupid... Unless its a matter or life and death, then don't be jumping off the jetty onto that speeding boat, you're not Al Carney.

If you're being pursued by dogs for whatever reason, then cross water (only if you know its shallow enough and can trust the currents) and double back on yourself and create false leads (piss in a coke can and throw it down a valley for instance).

Remember that helicopters have heat seeking cameras (if for example you need to signal a rescue helicopter then light a fire, if on the other hand you are being pursued by people in helicopters then remember that a cave or tunnel may be a better option than sleeping in a barn for instance).

Use your instincts when meeting strangers, are they just frightened or are they shifty, in other words don't trust everyone, but don't be paranoid either.

If you do manage to set up some form of shelter then keep a stock of fuel, gather food and supplies if possible and keep yourself busy with tasks and repairs, its better to be active and busy than gloomy and thinking about them bloody zombies or whatever.

Peace



[editon 22-3-2008 by mr-lizard]


100% behind you there mate,
all what you have stated is basically what i was going to post if the thread was kept going..."ya beat me to it mate ...lol"



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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 07:50 AM by citizen smith


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An ideal strategy would be to 'aquire' a narrowboat as the UK has a huge canal network that connects most cities and towns with the coast where you could pick up a sea-going vessel to escape the country.

Narrowboats offer a clear advantage to almost other forms of transport...

they can carry many tons of people/equipment, as most are constructed of steel plate they make for a floating fortress, easy to move by a couple of people towing the vessel by rope on foot, and if the situation is really bad, you can drop anchor in one of the many hundreds of tunnels, batten down the hatches, and be practically nuke-proof!

Food crops can be grown along the canal banks in more rural and inaccessible spots

And not forgetting the fact that you are floating on millions of gallons of fresh water negates the need to search out and secure supplies!

Interactive Inland Waterways Map




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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 07:56 AM by ian990003100


I started this thread and im finding the time to complete it really hard...my wife is pregnant... and i seem to be spending a hell of a lot of time at work preparing for when the baby comes so i can have time with it.

However...

I have started to put together a list of potential meeting sites... and i have spoken with a few of my old uni friends...i live quite close to winter hill which is a large broadcasting antannea...this could be very useful as well

survival kit well this is down to personal choice however i was thinking that we should all have at least an extra persons provisions per person so we should have at least two of everything...remember human nature in tricky situation tends to lend itself to helping others.

I liked the earlier post suggesting meeting up this summer for a survival camp anybody intrested?

I have started putting aside money to start buying my families survival kit and i have also decided with my wif we are going to carry extra childrens provisions...this will ensure that if the worst did happen we would as a survival group be able to look after the children...

it would be really cool if some one could start gathering information on plants growing wild what are edible...

also water purification could be a problem so if some one could tackle that as well please...

regards



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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 03:29 PM by spymaster



Originally posted by ian990003100

I have started to put together a list of potential meeting sites... and i have spoken with a few of my old uni friends...i live quite close to winter hill which is a large broadcasting antannea...this could be very useful as well


Yeah true mate but could also be a potential target (obviously depending on what form of Sit-X we are at the time)


Originally posted by ian990003100I liked the earlier post suggesting meeting up this summer for a survival camp anybody intrested?

Count me in ...if ya dont mind


Originally posted by ian990003100this will ensure that if the worst did happen we would as a survival group be able to look after the children...

Yeah good point, making sure you triple (if not more) your supplies for children, elderly and those on some form of medication, in general those that require the little extra help.


Re: the water purification, IMO the easiest way would be to purchase W.P. tablets to get things started?

Citizen Smith...."wolfie" lol
Excellent points you made and one that had not crossed my mind at all!!!!
Ive gone over the Sit-X scenario loads of times and have never once gave a second thought to your xclnt suggetion of "Waterways", its one suggestion that i will be looking into in great detail mate!!!

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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 03:56 PM by davidifty


Manchester over here.

Listen - if things go t!ts up over here in Britain there will be not many places to hide...you have to bear in mind that the nuclear power plants around us also pose a massive threat. If really bad weather, a tidal wave from the atlantic hits the UK then it will be nuclear poisening for all.

Check the map - www.insc.anl.gov...

I think its commense sense to presume anyone from Europe could be caught up in nuclear disasters.



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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 04:08 PM by thesaint


The Saint here. I too am ex military with much special training. Also 12 months of my career was spent as survival instructor out in Belize so i can assure im pretty hot at surviving off the land. I have already sussed a few hiding places over the years whilst out camping and stuff. I have ideal places near me outside Manchester bordering Yorkshire up in dales as i have in Snowdonia national park aswell.

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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 08:46 PM by mr-lizard


Mr Lizard here...

No real military training, but some of my friends are soldiers and have taught me the basics.



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 07:03 AM by cosmicstorm


is this thread still alive and kicking? as id be very interested in meetings etc.... warwickshire here, after some research ive kinda concluded that the uk doesnt have many 'safe' zones..... i am thinking of going abroad, i lived in spain for 3 years and thinking of going back.... i probably shouldnt say this but anyone else planning on getting loans and abusing you credit cards to get survival gear etc?? i know i certainly am!.... and if nothing happens and i end up having to pay it all back, well, at least ill still be alive!



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 03:21 PM by shuck


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Should anything happen...The plan is to get out of Leeds and head as far as we can north...should the SHTF...good idea to work out a safe rendezvous point …might not work…but at the end of the day it’s a plan… if you could get out of the city and you live in Yorkshire or above and near…there is a chance..!!

My wife and I have discussed this ( I think she might be as mad as I am! )..but it’s a plan!! ….and a few people working together would make life safer and easier!!



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 03:34 PM by cosmicstorm


So the further north of uk we are, the more 'safer' we are?...... is that the general thought.... i dont think you and your wife are mad! me and my mum have already been discussing our 'getaway'!!... and were quite prepared to move wherever necessary!.....



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 03:50 PM by Shmoo006


NE, Sunderland here, this is an interesting thread and its got me thinking. Im going to keep an eye on this thread and see how things turn out.

Shmooticus Cabuticus



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 03:58 PM by more_serotonin_pls


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I definitely agree that the further north you go the safer you are.

Scouser here and count me in...

I know several hidey holes up in cumbria.

When Sit X hits, I think that we will be are better ff in the Uk because of the fact we are an island and I also have faith that when it kicks off we will rise to the challenge.

I honestly think that a lot of the sheeple will become the wolves and on our side

Especially northerners...





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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 03:59 PM by gemlin


Scotland here. My plan is simple. If the poo hits the fan i head way up north. Less people would = less strain on naturally occuring resources like fish, firewood, food, etc and reduce my chances of being tragically beaten to death by a mob because i had something luxurious like a torch. I intend to study mycology to work out what shrooms are edible, i also intend to buy an air rifle for hunting rabbits and small birds. A fishing rod (and the knowledge to use one) is on my hitlist as well. I will also store tinned food, vitamins, rice etc. Hopefully I will have enough crap to fill my car with pretty soon. I've also bought an offroad motorbike for going way of the beaten track. Passive Night vision will be handy for hunting and dodging anything that needs to be dodged. A solar charger is a must for me as well. A quality survival knife (like the wilkinson sword) would be nice. Something with a professional edge and suitably hardened. A gore tex bivvy bag will keep me snug. A few survival tins and medical packs for a bug out kit will be ultra handy. I reckon another £1000-£1500 and a shed load of knowledge should see me right.


If there is someone on this thread that wants to take control and start organising things, then please count me in. Equally if i can help, then please let me know.



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 04:12 PM by Winchester1984



Originally posted by more_serotonin_pls
reply to post by cosmicstorm



I definitely agree that the further north you go the safer you are.

Scouser here and count me in...





Scouse here too. Was looking at Northern Scotland, remote islands up there, expanses that have not been explored still.

I conversed with a few like minded people over a quiet bevie, to which i discovered one had a small log cabin in Canada which he purchased 3 years ago for little money. He told me stories how he has been slowly but surely beens tocking up incase of any events which seem more and more inevitable everyday. He told me he visits 2-3 times a year, stays for few weeks at a time, he told how he has prepared for any event that might happen. Basically what im getting at is, he did research and the expanses in Canada seem ideal for what he wanted, but after meetin his fiancee who is Scottish he seems to believe that Scotland is much better bet.

I do believe being an island, we would hold an advantage whatever comes our way. First thing is to get out of the city imo.

Meeting points and the whole concept of this thread is essential. Lets just keep it goin guys share the knowledge!!!!!



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 04:32 PM by shuck


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The idea is to form a group..( saftey in numbers..ones you know) and yes ..its not as populated the further north you go...

Me and the wife have taken a number of dummy runs just as part of our holidays..just to see...

Skills we have
Ex army
Ex nurses
Martial arts
Trade is a carpenter..
Archer...and good with a horsebow and can make my own gear!!
And most holidays fishing and wild camping!!
Have a compete survival kit! ( been getting it together for a long time )
Some knowledge of plants you can eat and some of their medicinal uses!

Have a slingshot (and an extra rubber!!lol) and not a bad shot!

And we are two very nice people!!



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reply posted on 18-4-2008 @ 06:19 PM by Winchester1984


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Some great skills you have there, you and your other behalf seem to have your mind set and have taken the necessary precautions. I was thinking that the likes of yourself and many others on this this thread would be an asset to a survival group. I know its all hypothetical and whispers in the wind at the moment but, if plans here had to be put into practice would everyone be prepared? What im trying to get at is, if there are ex military,outdoor experts etc prepared to talk and form together a group which could teach others the necesseties of what we may have to face? A group of dedicated and committed members educated by a set of well endowed persons of knowledge. Gatherings or training days can be held, chance to speak to like minded people and form friendships if nothing else. If what is predicted does happen, i suggest we make as many friends as possible who can aid eachother in whatever we may face. Lets face it, money will mean jack if anything happens. Trade will become a way of life, having formed a group of like minded people things like this become easier.....



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reply posted on 19-4-2008 @ 03:07 AM by Migwah


I'm in, not a great deal to offer except a logical mind.

Suffolk here, unfortunately near 2 nuclear power stations so would be useful to have a plan.



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