Originally posted by cormac mac airt
The Oort Cloud is 50,000 AU from our sun. Based on an approximate average of the orbital velocities of the planets in our solar system, 60,000 mph, it would take over 10,000 years to reach our sun. That's one way. What would be bringing it back? Also, if traveling nearly light speed, at 1800 years one way it would be 900 times further out than the diameter of our solar system. Again, what would bring it back? The math doesn't add up.

If I have read this correctly, your maths is seriously cocked up.

Firstly, orbital velocities for planets vary between themselves and one cannot take an average of these and apply it to something utterly different. Comets, for example, are Oort cloud objects, but they reach speeds of 160,000 MPH, or 70.56 Km/s (Hailey's Comet). Almost 2.5 times the speed of Earth. Something falling inwards towards the sun from further out than Hailey's Comet and with a much greater mass would likely be going faster.

So, using these new numbers, one could surmise that something traveling from the Oort Cloud at 50,000 AU at 70 Km/s would take 3397 years, one way, so not even close to your 10,000 year figure.

What would be bringing it back? Whatever interaction exists between heavenly bodies, be it gravitational or electromagnetic. It obviously works for other bodies with elliptical orbits. As long as it doesn't exceed the escape velocity of the Sun, then it will eventually come back.

Your light speed comment is just plain silly. Who said anything about light speed? If it was going that fast, it would exceed the escape velocity of the sun and go off into space.

Astronomers are serious truthloving intelligent people. I have never met , or read an article of one that considered this issue.

If those photos'were really of a unknown object (socalled Planet X) loads of astronomers would be over it. Everyone wants a (scientific) part of that story.

Of course there are people that embrace the thought that every serious scientist is part of the conspiracy, but everybody who can think or has a scientific background knows that is ludicrous.



[edit on 24-2-2008 by Pjotr]

For those that forget about these things, in the South Pole, at this time, is Summer.

As in the North Pole, during the Summer, the day lasts 24 hours, there is no night during the Summer in the same way that there is no day during the Winter, and that is one of the reasons for having a telescope on one of the Poles.

So, the people at the South Pole Telescope are now probably preparing things and waiting for the night to start.

Does this look familiar?



Its the Jovian system, or to put it in more common terms, Jupiter and its moons.

Doesn't it bear a striking resemblance to what you can see in the original video - which is probably a false colour time lapse image of this system.

If a Brown Dwarf star has passed repeatedly through the inner solar system at any time in the past couple of million years, I would suggest that we wouldn't be having this conversation, due to orbital and radiation issues that would have upset the balance of life on the planet.

People need to think about the effects that an object supposedly a third the size of our sun, and a failed star to boot, would have. It wouldn't just pass by without leaving massive devastation in its wake.

Jupiter's mass is only 318 times that of Earth, and a Brown dwarfs mass need only be a minimum of 13 times that and as a result of increase mass, the volume would actually shrink.

Jupiter is only 0.00086 solar masses, so a brown Dwarf need only be 0.01118 Solar masses, so all this assumption that a brown dwarf is 1/3rd the size of the sun is erroneous. It is more like 1% off the mass and would be significantly smaller than Jupiter is.

Originally posted by scobro
Hi.

Even if this theory turns out to be true,do you really think the authorities would willing tell you about it?

As I've said (repeatedly) before, the authorities wouldn't have any choice in the matter. Even if "they" could convince every professional astronomer to keep quiet about such a momentous discovery (not that there's a chance in Perdition of that, given the 'publish-or-perish' nature of academia), there are plenty of 'amateur' astronomers out there with very solid equipment (myself included), and access to both hard-copy outlets and electronic outlets (like ATS or Space.com). Even if this mythical Planet IX (remember, Pluto doesn't count any more) is 'only' the size of Mars, if it were close enough to make a 'close pass' in 2012, it would be visible to the naked eye, never mind to any telescope above "Wal Mart" grade.

And as for gathering data on it,well,a lot of these "specialists" are probably the same guys who decided to shoot down an out of control satellite,(and it was a lot closer than this supposed"Planet X) because they did'nt know where it was going to fall!

Ever hear the phrase 'straw man argument' ? Much as I hate to dignify silliness like this with a formal label, that's the closest *polite* term I could find. The inability to predict the impact point of the now-infamous spy satellite had nothing to do with a failure to locate, identify, or track it. Those "specialists" knew its location to less than a foot. What they did *not* know was the exact 'shape' of the upper fringes of the atmosphere. They have a good general idea, but there are enough variations up there to make the exact prediction of impact points for an uncontrolled reentry a guessing game.

That has no bearing at all on their ability to find and track something of planetary size, or to plot a fairly exact orbit for such an object if and when they find it

If this thing is coming in 2012,why tell us now and have four years of blind panic on their hands,when they would probably rather tell us at the last possible moment.

I'm reminded of Groucho Marx's famous question for contestants on his game show. "Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Answer yes or no." It's a no-win question...either answer makes you look bad. NASA is in a similar position regarding Planet IX. If they say nothing, they're part of the Government Cover-Up (tm). If they say it's not there, they're Lying to the People to Avoid a Mass Panic (tm). If they say it is there, they immediately lose any credibility whatsoever with every group except the Zeta Reticulan Society for Interstellar Telepathic Fearmongering. It's a no-win for NASA.

Not the best attempt at evidence I have seen, the pixelation and ms paint looking colour manipulation don't help the cause. However, this whole idea of planet x, is perhaps slightly interesting, purely because of the fact we would get a clear idea of the possibility of it, long before the end of 2012, unlike most of the other theories out there.

Were are the other stars????

Originally posted by stumason
Jupiter's mass is only 318 times that of Earth, and a Brown dwarfs mass need only be a minimum of 13 times that and as a result of increase mass, the volume would actually shrink.

Jupiter is only 0.00086 solar masses, so a brown Dwarf need only be 0.01118 Solar masses, so all this assumption that a brown dwarf is 1/3rd the size of the sun is erroneous. It is more like 1% off the mass and would be significantly smaller than Jupiter is.

Brown dwarfs occupy the mass range between that of large gas giant planets and the lowest mass stars; this upper limit is between 75 and 80 Jupiter masses.

Originally posted by neformore

People need to think about the effects that an object supposedly a third the size of our sun, and a failed star to boot, would have. It wouldn't just pass by without leaving massive devastation in its wake.

Like the Asteroids Belt, maybe ?

Okay, I'm just going to jump in here and spout my mouth off about something I have not studied at all, but I did watch that 5 part series about Planet X that someone posted (sorry I didn't catch your name just your scary alien avatar) earlier. That guy really had me going until one sentence. He said when all heck breaks loose TOPSIDE, the government will implement martial law and "call in the troops from around the world" to enforce it. So how can this be!

A) Sounds like he's saying this will only affect America, so therefore the forces and troops we have around the world will be able to just come on over and enforce martial law. Like how fly in a plane? Planes fly when the country is in mass panic and chaos?

B) The government is underground in bunkers, so he says, how are they communicating to such troops around the world and telling them to come back home? And why the hell, would they come home to enforce martial law? If it's just us that are suffering and they are fine and dandy elsewhere in the world what person military or otherwise would come back here to the madness??????? There is no government to enforce penalties for AWOL status, so why come back?

That one statement alone was enough proof to me that this guy is a whackado who just wants to scare the pee out of people for no reason. He's a nutjob, plain and simple!