Originally posted by DaWhiz
It was in reference to someone referring to the orbits being orderly and low and behold, you have proof in the sky tonight that not only are there varying orbits of heavenly bodies, but they all don't go in the same direction.

You're intentionally oversimplifying the original statement, which was not that every celestial body's orbit was orderly, but that every planet in our solar system is orderly, which does not jive with there being a massive hidden highly eccentric object occasionally sweeping through the inner solar system.

"wouldnt the mass of these objects wreak havoc on the rest of the
planets?????"

[edit on 23-2-2009 by ngchunter]

You're intentionally oversimplifying the original statement, which was not that every celestial body's orbit was orderly, but that every planet in our solar system is orderly, which does not jive with there being a massive hidden highly eccentric object occasionally sweeping through the inner solar system.
"wouldnt the mass of these objects wreak havoc on the rest of the
planets?????"
[edit on 23-2-2009 by ngchunter]

And you are over generalizing: This is a brown dwarf system w/orbiting bodies. Stars in binary systems do not collide. As far as the actual orbits, there are some that say it (dwarf) will not come out of the Oort cloud section while its orbiting bodies may... while others say it comes directly into our system's established planet orbits which would go against physics. All you have to do is look up binary star systems.
And I would be more worried about gravitational flux than mass. The pebble in the ocean theory is ok, but not completely accurate.

Originally posted by DaWhiz
And you are over generalizing: This is a brown dwarf system w/orbiting bodies. Stars in binary systems do not collide.

What are you talking about? Where did I or anyone else ever say anything about collisions?

As far as the actual orbits, there are some that say it (dwarf) will not come out of the Oort cloud section while its orbiting bodies may...

Proof? How is that even physically possible? Do the orbiting bodies have little rockets on them? Do you have any idea how slowly and how weakly a body would orbit a brown dwarf if its orbital radius extended from the oort cloud to the inner solar system?

And I would be more worried about gravitational flux than mass.

The gravitational effect is directly proportional to mass. An object as massive as a brown dwarf could not go unnoticed.

It was in reference to someone referring to the orbits being orderly and low and behold, you have proof in the sky tonight that not only are there varying orbits of heavenly bodies, but they all don't go in the same direction.

Er... no they don't.
What the people on this thread are talking about is that a planetoids heading through the known rotations of the planets would be disturbed by a large object passing through them.

Folks you do realize that John C. Adams calculated the position of a "mystery planet" by determining that there was some slight gravitational pull that caused Uranus's orbit to be a bit strange. He just did the math and told the astronomers where to look. Lo-and-behold.
There was Neptune. This was in 1843.


Yes the universe is a strange and mystical place but make no mistake, most backyard astronomers could detect an orbital anomaly in our solar system. It is that predictable, like clockwork (sorry astro-nuts, I couldn't resist) Look up Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers. They will let you know if and when there is anything amiss in our solar neighborhood. Even if no one else will.



Da Whiz:

And you are over generalizing: This is a brown dwarf system w/orbiting bodies. Stars in binary systems do not collide. As far as the actual orbits, there are some that say it (dwarf) will not come out of the Oort cloud section while its orbiting bodies may... while others say it comes directly into our system's established planet orbits which would go against physics. All you have to do is look up binary star systems.
And I would be more worried about gravitational flux than mass. The pebble in the ocean theory is ok, but not completely accurate.

Huge sigh......thinking to myself....don't they teach any basic astronomy or physics in school anymore.....


And has NGChunter has pointed out, the gravitational effects of a body in space is DIRECTLY proportional to it's mass.



Please get to your local library and check out any high school physics text book. And do some reading. (don't just look at the pictures) Then you may grasp how silly the notion that an undetected massive body approaching our solar system really is.

Peace

Edit to add: clear skies NGC

[edit on 23-2-2009 by Zeptepi]

Wasn't planet X/Nibiru suppose to come around in 2002 or 2003? I remember listening to Nancy Lieber/Mark Hazelwood, talking about how Planet X was suppose to be coming in the early 2002-03 timeframe. It never happened, I remember being a part of a Planet X group on yahoo, there was a lot of good discussion in terms of how to prepare for a new life.

All of that was really helpful, but in the end, Nibiru never came around.

Though I’m not familiar as Id like to be with the Niburu Planet X theories, I so have one of my own.

Nature show’s us repeatedly through history whole species being *wiped out* to extinction, or near, then to flourishing once again (if they’re to be so lucky).

I tend to believe the planet we live on is alive. I also tend to believe *we* (humans) are a cancer on the planet.

We’ve not learned how to keep from making excrement where we eat - so to speak.

We use dirty fuel and chemicals (nuke, waste, etc) with no thought to how it’s killing our oceans, our lands, the very planet we live on, and to those we will leave behind to deal with our mistakes - *Oh well* seems to be the (international) consensus. Let them deal with it.

We live in a time when the 4% of the population consume nearly all the resources leaving the rest to die.

Obesity in one hemisphere running hand in hand with world wide starvation in the other - those who have the power to end it turning a blind eye.

Mass *hard* genocide (Darfur), and millions of daily instances of *soft* genocide (fluoridated water, mercury in vaccines.)

The killing of unborn children on one hand while impregnating others with multiple births that can’t and wont be cared for, still yet the bio-engineering of some, welcome little Kens and Barbies.

The international past-time of raping torturing and murdering children for pleasure sex sport.

We have no respect for our elders, our God, our families, our children, but damn if we don’t just love that new SUV, XBox, Ipod, while around us such atrocities continue it boggles the soul.

If there was ever a time for the Natural Powers that Be to wipe us off the face of the map, for Mother Nature to say *ENOUGH IS ENOUGH* and start over (or not) It’s now.

If that means Niburu and Planet X, so be it.

Having not learned a whit from the past, and our continuing on a crash course to destruction, does it really matter if our demise comes by our own hand or Mother Natures?


peace

[edit on 16-3-2009 by silo13]

I think there is just too much evidence that there is a 3rd magnet in the inner solar system.

The rotation of the earth is slowing down and has for a while now. We have wild weather patterns, hurricanes in the south hemisphere. I have seen green fireballs in the sky (could not take pictures though). There is increased "falling stars" for this time of year. The big dipper is not in the normal position for this time of year. Earthquakes are on the rise, although under reported. The sun is not where it should be due to the wobble. To top everything, the polar caps are melting from underneath the ice as opposed to top down which means that the core of the earth is creating more heat which warms the oceans, causing more weird weather and hurricanes. Not only is the earth heating up, but the other planets as well, all during the lowest sunspot activity ever recorded.

Yes, there is the element of doubt, but that is only because most people only look at one side of the story or one side of the diamond. Only when you turn the diamond can you see it for what it is, only when you look at the big picture can you connect the dots.

But what do I know, I am only part of the sheeple who is lied to from our lovely government. I know that I still have much to learn, and even though I might now alot, I know that I still know very little to nothing.

Originally posted by Skada
The big dipper is not in the normal position for this time of year.

Say what? Amateur astronomers everywhere would have noticed that, I promise you.

The sun is not where it should be due to the wobble.

Again, say what? Same as above; a whole lot of goto scopes won't be working right if that's the case. Last I checked, that wasn't the case.

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by Skada
The big dipper is not in the normal position for this time of year.

Say what? Amateur astronomers everywhere would have noticed that, I promise you.

The sun is not where it should be due to the wobble.

Again, say what? Same as above; a whole lot of goto scopes won't be working right if that's the case. Last I checked, that wasn't the case.

Comical!

Hunter, i dont know where you get your patience. Star for not exploding with frustration and fury when completely justified to do so.

regards