As far as Michael's 'bragging' about his EBE AWARD WINNING VIDEO there's this FACT:

It's funny that you actually have to pay $75 to enter to win the EBE awards. Now, it stands to reason that if you submit your video and it is one of say a double digit figure, such as one of 25 or so films, than that would be something impressive if it won an award. But if, say, your video was only one of two that were entered into a certain category than that would, imo, greatly diminish any real value to that award since the judges really had very little to chose from.

The video on Billy Meier was one of only two that were submitted in the category that it won in. The other one was an old video that was just recently released on DVD so it made the cut for qualifications. The funniest thing of all is that these same two videos were also entered into another category. They were the only two videos entered in two different categories. The Meier video was given an award for one category and the other one was given the award for the other category. IMO, it seems that each video won in one of the two categories that they were entered in more so for the judges who did not want to award the same video both awards and leave the second one out so they just awarded one award to each video. After all, they did pay $75 to enter the contest and they were the only two entered in the two separate categories. I'd have probably voted the same in this case. One award for each of the videos, based more on the fact that they were the only two entries than in their merit.

Here is a question i've always had about the damn meyer photos.... Why are the hell would an alien craft ever park in a tree like that? Do they have a docking station that connects to the trunk and then they shimmy down like a damn keebler elf?

i am finding that too much is ignored that seems to support the meier claims. i watched the new video on the story and saw dereks part too. he tried to say that the trees were all the same and that he showed they were models. but he never did that. i also read lots of the stuff on theyfly site and i think the arguments are better there.

i get the feeling that the ets here are kinda toying with people to make them really think it through. no one has explained how meiers did everything himself and no one has ever been found who helped him.

but there sure are a lot of people who are trying to claim its hoaxed and can't make it stick.

zephyr

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
but there sure are a lot of people who are trying to claim its hoaxed and can't make it stick.

zephyr

Hello? Have you seen the garbage can lid? Identical.

First I'd like to say that I, and others here such as Derek Bartholomas, have been studying this case for years. I was at the door to becoming a FIGU passive group member at one time and went as far as having the statutes sent to me from Switzerland. I had a sudden change of heart due to an inner prompting to 'cease and desist' anything further regarding this group, for any reason. They are a "Personality Cult" and they are making a lot of money off of people as is proven by their Passive Group Member Application.

"i am finding that too much is ignored that seems to support the meier claims."

There are NO negatives to any of the alleged authentic photos... they are ALL third and fourth generation prints... this fact ALONE supports absolutely NOTHING as far as any so called 'PROOF'. The trees which have supposedly been authenticated as REAL TREES have NOT been authenticated by ANYBODY. This is PROVEN on this thread in other posts by the very individuals who have supposedly authenticated them who have responded to email from myself and Derek Bartholomas indicating that they NEVER did any such thing. The metal samples are GONE also and at least two trees from several photos have mysteriously 'vanished'. This case has NO SUPPORT except for silly non-scientific arguments from unwitting individuals who WANT TO BELIEVE.

The NEW VIDEO is NOT NEW. I've seen it too and I've seen it ALL before. There are a few more videos on VHS which I have already seen and there is NOTHING NEW in this most recent video. Same stuff in DVD format.

Even the Spiritual information is NOT NEW. I've heard it all before as well through years of study of many different belief systems and I already knew most of it before coming across Billy's stuff.

If you WANT to believe than that is your issue if you want the TRUTH than you have to eliminate any NEED to BELIEVE. This apparent DESIRE TO BELIEVE is really the ONLY THING going for this case, this group and anybody who supports it in ANY way. They (FIGU and it's supporters) are taking advantage of this NEED TO BELIEVE by many unwary and wayward souls. It's a damn sad state of affairs and there's much more to this than meets the eye.... it's all too easy to 'hide' your true 'actions' when there are so many wanna believers out there to support you..... Disgusting really......

hi teri. i don't think we're talking about the same dvd or film. man if you think that it's the same as the 'contact' film by lee elder then you're just wrong. this one has interviews with billy meier, his family, friends, and experts, etc. so i'm actually certain you didn't see it if you say it's the same.

i've read a lot of these meier threads because i have followed the information for a couple of years. i'm posting here because it's the shortest one. so far i haven't seen one word about the nlp army expert in the film who says that meier and the un diplomat lady are telling the truth. i know a little about the nlp thing because they sometimes use it for picking juries and other things. but derek didn't mention it and no one else did either. so now meier and the diplomat are fooling this expert too? i don't think so. i'll bet if the expert said they were liars it would sure be talked about but nothing is said about him now.

i have the full interview with her on a video from a couple of years ago and there's also another woman from india who confirms the whole story of the sightings there. come to think of it the new film has many witnesses who talk about their own sightings too and again not one word from the critics. these don't look like crazy ufo people to me but i guess now we'll hear how witnesses can't be trusted and experts can't be trusted and meier's evidence can't be trusted.

but why trust the critics or even derek. i've seen the film 6-7 times with different friends and we watched the added features with derek. we stopped the film where he draws lines on one side of the trees to say they're all the same and if you have a big screen you walk up to it and trace the other side of the trees before he draws more lines and guess what? they're not similar at all. so how does he even say they're the same tree?

and where is his model tree even pictures to show what he's talking about? then even he said it was weak so the critic deserves the criticism for not making sense. and he's the meier expert at his group. he even wrote to the special effects experts but they said things like very hard and impossible to fake.

but about the tree experts i read many of the pages of james deardoff and i think he was also a professor at the same university. so i would bet that when he put the information about what they said about the trees it was on his site a long time and nobody made a fuss. the solution in my mind is for derek to go and get other new tree experts to look at the pictures and give expert opinions. so i have to ask what all the critics will say when they say yes they're real trees?

zephyr

hi i tried to post this before but i think it was too soon. i specially wanted to respond to teri because i think he's very wrong about things.

Alberto


hi teri. i don't think we're talking about the same dvd or film. man if you think that it's the same as the 'contact' film by lee elder then you're just wrong. this one has interviews with billy meier, his family, friends, and experts, etc. so i'm actually certain you didn't see it if you say it's the same.

i've read a lot of these meier threads because i have followed the information for a couple of years. i'm posting here because it's the shortest one. so far i haven't seen one word about the nlp army expert in the film who says that meier and the un diplomat lady are telling the truth. i know a little about the nlp thing because they sometimes use it for picking juries and other things. but derek didn't mention it and no one else did either. so now meier and the diplomat are fooling this expert too? i don't think so. i'll bet if the expert said they were liars it would sure be talked about but nothing is said about him now.

i have the full interview with her on a video from a couple of years ago and there's also another woman from india who confirms the whole story of the sightings there. come to think of it the new film has many witnesses who talk about their own sightings too and again not one word from the critics. these don't look like crazy ufo people to me but i guess now we'll hear how witnesses can't be trusted and experts can't be trusted and meier's evidence can't be trusted.

but why trust the critics or even derek. i've seen the film 6-7 times with different friends and we watched the added features with derek. we stopped the film where he draws lines on one side of the trees to say they're all the same and if you have a big screen you walk up to it and trace the other side of the trees before he draws more lines and guess what? they're not similar at all. so how does he even say they're the same tree?

and where is his model tree even pictures of one to show what he's talking about? i want to know if the producer removed it or if derek didn't even have one. then even derek said it was weak so the critic deserves the criticism for not making sense. and he's the meier expert at his group. he even wrote to the special effects experts but they said things like very hard and impossible to fake.

but about the tree experts i read many of the pages of james deardoff and i think he was also a professor at the same university. so i would bet that when he put the information about what they said about the trees it was on his site a long time and nobody made a fuss. the solution in my mind is for derek to go and get other new tree experts to look at the pictures and give expert opinions. so i have to ask what all the critics will say when they say yes they're real trees?

i think that this is mostly anti-meier board so i will only say a few more things here maybe. but i wonder if you will answer the questions about the nlp man and the witnesses and the other ones i ask here.

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A couple more items as an answer for 'Anon'

Anonymous said regarding Derek in the movie: "he even wrote to the special effects experts but they said things like very hard and impossible to fake."

I emailed the special effects people myself and the response from Marc Weigert / Uncharted Territory, was as follows;

From: "Marc Weigert / Uncharted Territory" Add Mobile Alert
To: "'Teri Hayes'"
Subject: RE: Uncharted Territory website: The Silent Revolution of Truth video
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:13:54 -0700

Hi Teri,

I'm currently getting a lot of questions like yours.

I can tell you it was definitely not our intent to validate the
"Authenticity" of Billy Meier's "UFO's". There were actually quite a
lot of other things we said, including that the UFOs look suspiciously like
models and on top of that, like some 50s or 70s human design.

But, to be fair, we did make the statement about that single shot which
we saw on video, transferred from Super8 film. But that this shot would be
difficult to achieve doesn't make everything real...

Cheers,
Marc

Marc Weigert
CEO
Uncharted Territory, LLC
2101 Kew Drive

Los Angeles, CA 90046
ph +1.310.670.8635 x5

fax +1.310.496.0803

www.uncharted-territory.com

So you see, once again, comments were taken OUT OF CONTEXT and made to sound like something very different than what was 'intended' by the persons speaking. Despite the fact that the suggestion was made that it would have been hard to fake when taken in it's entirety the statements are anything BUT conclusive OR purely positive as Michael Horn would have people believe.

Anonymous than goes on to mention: "the solution in my mind is for derek to go and get other new tree experts to look at the pictures and give expert opinions. so i have to ask what all the critics will say when they say yes they're real trees?"

This scenario will never happen. You cannot tell anything from a photo print. There is no way for anybody, no matter how skilled or 'expert' at photography or botany they may be, to look at a photo print and 'validate' a tree to be a real tree in that print. The only way to do that is to go to the location and find the tree itself. The only thing that a tree expert can ascertain from a photo has already been done satisfactorily. It was said by the 'experts' that "assuming the tree IS a real tree, than it is a certain type of fur tree that grows large and grows in the area of Switzerland where the alleged photo was taken." None of the experts who looked at any photos said that the trees were real. There is NO WAY that they could have said that with any 'conviction' because it is impossible just by seeing a photograph. The experts only said that if the tree 'were real' than it was a big tall fur tree. There is a big difference in the choice of words used by the alleged experts and the words used by the 'supporters' of Meier. Real trees cannot be authenticated without seeing the actual tree and location of it. PERIOD. That is a fact of science.

If anyone feels any differently, both with the comments of the special effects experts and the tree experts than Vision Quest is correct and there ARE a few 3rd graders who choose to play on this play ground.

[edit on 17-5-2008 by Teri Uhouse]

[edit on 17-5-2008 by Teri Uhouse]

The post that was removed was a direct response to remarks made by both Vision Quest and the Anonymous poster so I don't see how it was OFF TOPIC but I respect the moderators of this forum so I can't disparage their choices on their own forum.

This was also within that post and it is within topic in response to remarks by Anonymous above.

It was questioned why there were no interviews with the critics in the movie and the answer to that is a very simple one. Horn did not include any critics, other than Derek in the movie. Period. Why not? If this case is, indeed, ironclad than one would think that equal time would have been afforded to the critics as well as the supporters. From what I understand the interview with Derek was also cut very short so he was not even afforded the common courtesy of ALL of his remarks being made within proper context since some were cut out.

As far as the VHS I have seen a total of 4 movies and Billy Meier appears in at least 2 of them answering the same questions as in the new DVD. It was NOT the movie entitled "Contact" even though I also have that one as well.

As far as the nlp army guys opinion as to the 'truthfulness' of the persons attesting to have seen UFO's in India and elsewhere. Even though this woman saw UFO's while in India and with the knowledge that Billy Meier was also in India at that same time does nothing to prove that Billy Meier had anything at all to do with the sightings. So what? She saw UFO's while Billy was in India and what, if anything, did she see Billy do to CALL the UFO's to come and show themselves or etc.? This is just a matter of convenience for them to shove down peoples throats since it is virtually the only thing that is 'partially' proven with the case. That proof would be no more than that a reputable woman saw UFO's in India at that same period of time that Billy was in India. This means nothing as far as proof of anything. It is only proof of what it is.. and that is UFO sightings and Billy's presence in the area, which as far as scientific evidence is nothing.

This woman also said that a Gardner reported encountering Billy in a garden with Asket. This would not have occurred since both the Plejaran and the Dal people have a much higher vibratory rate than Earth Humans so this 'woman' was more than likely NOT Asket. According to Billy himself our vibrations are very damaging to them and they cannot come within 90 feet of an Earth Human. Well, except for himself since his vibration has been changed to be much higher than normal Earth Humans and he is now able to be in their presence. This supposed fact is the reason why the personal contacts were in private and why the few persons who have allegedly encountered the Plejaran or Dal have always only seen them from a distance..... so how then did a Gardner ENCOUNTER him in the Garden with Asket? She would not have taken the risk of walking around in a Public location if she were so sensitive to the 'vibrations'. That defies ALL logic. The Gardner also spoke of Billy as the man who said that he was 'in love with the goddess from heaven'. What connotation does this phrase bring to mind? According to the Gardner Billy said that he was "In Love" with the Goddess from Heaven (basically the beautiful woman from the sky or stars). He did not say that he spoke to her or that he befriended her. He said he was IN LOVE with her?

This creates yet more questions as to motive and psyche. If I understand it correctly Billy was shortly after made to leave India on a charge of 'vagrancy'.

glib,

unfortunately ALL of those photos are of VERY POOR quality and it is known and has been verified that Meier's photos are all 3rd and 4th generation prints with NO NEGATIVES which basically makes those really neat photos NOTHING in the eyes of Science. you have actually shown that others have been able to create the SAME TYPES of photos that Meier has OR that other people have taken photos of what LOOKS LIKE saucer shaped craft. AND? WHAT?

do the other photos accompany suggestions of 'exclusive' contacts with the occupants of those craft? but, than again, ONLY Billy is actually having contacts with the occupants so those other people have just been given the permission to photograph the craft in an effort to lend PROOF to Billy Meier?

if any individual feels as if there is anything other than Billy's contacts than they CAN NOT believe in Billy Meier because according to him he is the ONLY ONE and HIS contacts are the only ones present (with an exception of a very minute few others whom make contact extremely sporadically) so If an individual feels as if there are OTHERS besides the Plejaran than they are nothing more than ignorant imbeciles. i for one have no desire to support any one who would suggest to my face that I am an ignorant imbecile. so unless you wish to believe in Billy, ABOVE ALL OTHERS and ONLY believe in Billy Meier than you must really be as he suggests... an ignorant imbecile! sorry.

Billy Meier has NO REAL supporters except for Michael Horn and Billy's followers. the many people who supposedly support Billy CAN NOT do so since ALL OF THEM still research and believe in OTHER contacts. One of the biggies is Wendelle Stevens who has done research for an extremely long time and still does so. he is not EXCLUSIVE to Billy Meier so the entire Billy camp are, themselves, ignorant imbeciles for making claims as to exclusivity and than accepting the 'backing' of those who do not ALSO claim the same exclusivity. this action or in-action on their part defeats them completely in EVERY way. they will remain a small Cult group do to their own apathy and acceptance of those who would weaken their entire 'energy' process by being 'indecisive' with their beliefs. "A Nation Divided Cannot Stand". this group is VERY DIVIDED with 'unsure' individuals who continue to go against the very nature of their beloved 'contact' person by continually seeking elsewhere for the TRUTH. If you believe in Billy Meier than that IS your TRUTH or else you DEFEAT yourself and Billy.

As usual for Michael Horn, completely unfounded and untrue. This latest missive of his just means that I really need to find the time to finish and publish my research on the IIG website.

I have lots of material that clearly contradicts previous claims of Billy Meier's. Unfortunately, with someone like Michael Horn involved, it is not worthwhile posting only part of the research because he loves to engage in the logical fallacy known as "moving the goal post." When one aspect is conclusively proven he then asks "what about this other thing?" without addressing the collapse of his previous argument.

For example, in his current "press release" he mentions Uncharted Territory again as being supporters of his argument when this very thread points out that they do not when they say "So, to sum it up - we did not say 'these are clearly not models'." I also spoke with them over the phone and they said that they “never made a statement that it was real” and they “do not believe it is real.” However, Michael only selectively quotes them when they reflected on a single shot because they believed that a tree in the shot was a full sized tree. When it was pointed out to them that all of the evidence suggests that it was not a full sized tree, but actually a miniature or model tree then they said "If the tree is a model and it's forced perspective - then you would NOT need CGI to do this shot."

Finishing this report has taken a LOT longer than I ever thought it would, but a final report will be coming out that deconstructs every major claim ever made by Billy Meier and/or Michael Horn. I wish that I had an ETA on the final report, but I don't. It is coming.

Thanks Derek! I for one am waiting for it!

Bartholomaus and the skeptics took another devastating blow when Uncharted Territory, the Academy Award-winning special effects company (for Independence Day) rebuffed his request for support for his model theories, instead clearly describing one of Meier's UFO films as "hard to achieve, very hard, probably even impossible to fake this kind of shot."

Whomever you are, erasurehead, (even if you ARE Horn) I am sorry to say that you either have NOT read this thread or you have very little or NO reading comprehension. Despite Horn's using the above statement on his website it is NOT TRUE as it is written because it is taken out of a much larger content.

I took the liberty of contacting "Uncharted Territory" myself and I was contacted via email by Marc Weigert. Here is the email, AGAIN. This is already on this thread once but to make it easy for you here it is again in it's entirety so that the 'context' and 'content' cannot be misconstrued:

From: "Marc Weigert / Uncharted Territory" Add Mobile Alert
To: "'Teri Hayes'" uthsmacabre@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Uncharted Territory website: The Silent Revolution of Truth video
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:13:54 -0700

Hi Teri,

I'm currently getting a lot of questions like yours.
I can tell you it was definitely not our intent to validate the

"Authenticity" of Billy Meier's "UFO's". There were actually quite a
lot of
other things we said, including that the UFOs look suspiciously like
models
and on top of that, like some 50s or 70s human design.

But, to be fair, we did make the statement about that single shot which
we
saw on video, transferred from Super8 film. But that this shot would be
difficult to achieve doesn't make everything real...

Cheers,
Marc

Marc Weigert
CEO
Uncharted Territory, LLC
2101 Kew Drive

Los Angeles, CA 90046
ph +1.310.670.8635 x5

fax +1.310.496.0803

www.uncharted-territory.com

Co-Producer/VFX Supervisor
Columbia Pictures
"FAREWELL ATLANTIS"
10202 W. Washington Blvd.

Capra Bldg. Ste 110
Culver City, CA 90232

ph +1.310.244.2434

farewellatlantis@uncharted-territory.com

As you can see, (if your intelligence level is at the very least, NORMAL) this is a FAR CRY from a 'devastating blow' to Bartholomaus and the skeptics. It IS, however, a 'devastating blow' to Michael Horn's Intelligence level, honesty, integrity and all around personality. This email is only one of many 'disproving' just about EVERYTHING Horn uses in defense of his so called 'Iron Clad' arguments.