This just in...

In the recent DVD "The Silent Revolution Of Truth" Michael Horn makes the following statement:
"Six professors of forestry looked at Meier's photos and looked at the trees and each one determined that the trees are full size mature trees and not models."

The names of the forestry professors are then displayed on-screen for the viewer:


Here is Professor Everett M. Hansen’s response:

From: Everett Hansen
Date: February 25, 2008 11:51:41 AM PST
To: Derek Bartholomaus
Subject: Re: Fwd: Forestry Quotation Question

I have not "authenticated real trees", or made any other definitive statements about these photos. My observations are being misrepresented, and my name and affiliation are being used without my permission.
Everett Hansen

I then replied to Prof. Hansen with the following:

From: Derek Bartholomaus
Date: February 25, 2008 11:56:16 AM PST
To: Everett Hansen
Subject: Re: Forestry Quotation Question

Hello.

Thank you for letting me know. The person using your name regarding these photos is Michael Horn and he can be reached at michael@theyfly.com.

Sincerely,

Derek Bartholomaus

Continue asking, and they'll keep falling.

Unfortunately Derek, this is what I've told people here to do time after time, should they wish to disbelieve what I've written about this case - make the effort to find out personally. I've always said that if someone made the effort they'd come to the same conclusions as I do.

As far as I know, no one has. The UFO community it seems is less and less capable of policing itself, and more and more willing to accept blind belief over very little effort to verify anything themselves.

btw Derek-high five.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by jritzmann]

I wonder if he just went to the forestry website and copied the names?

So far NONE of these guys has had a clue he was abusing, er, using their good names without permission?!

AMAZING...

Springer...

Lol! I just find it absolutely wonderful that a Hoaxer of any sort is going to finally pay and pay big he he he! Even if just one of these fine gentlemen persue him, he is done lmfao!

Here comes another one...

In the recent DVD "The Silent Revolution Of Truth" Michael Horn makes the following statement:
"Six professors of forestry looked at Meier's photos and looked at the trees and each one determined that the trees are full size mature trees and not models."

The names of the forestry professors are then displayed on-screen for the viewer:


Here is Professor Edward C. Jensen’s response:

From: "Jensen, Edward C."
Date: February 25, 2008 2:25:11 PM PST
To: "deardorf", "dgunblatt", "derek", "aspie"
Cc: "Jensen, Edward C.", "Fletcher, Charles"
Subject: Comment on UFO

Gentlemen:
An estimate of tree height (actually only the top portion of a single particular tree) that I made several years ago in good faith has been taken out of context and misused to purport things that I did not intend. Further, my observations have been misappropriated and misapplied to photographs that I have never seen and situations that I have never reviewed. I want to assure you that I have never purported to authenticate any photos of alleged UFOs for Mr. Deardorff, Mr. Meier, Mr. Horn, or anyone else. Nor have I ever purported to determine the authenticity of any trees in any photos of alleged UFOs for anyone. Mr. Deardorff contacted me some years ago and asked if I could provide information about a tree in a photo that included an alleged UFO. The photo was of poor quality, but I assumed that the tree in the photo was real and gave an estimate of the height of the portion of the tree above the alleged UFO based on that assumption. I did not opine that the tree in the photo was truly real rather than a model, that the alleged UFO was real, or that the photograph was real and unaltered. I certainly have never offered any support to Mr. Deardorff or Mr. Meier for their claims that there are real UFOs or real trees in any photograph. I hope this will end the matter and that neither my name nor that of Oregon State University will be used inaccurately again in connection with these photographs. To this end, I have copied the General Counsel of Oregon State University, and I will direct any further communication about this matter to them. Thank you for your cooperation.

Dr. Edward C. Jensen
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR 97331

I then replied to Prof. Jensen with the following:

From: Derek Bartholomaus
Date: February 25, 2008 3:02:13 PM PST
To: "Jensen, Edward C."
Subject: Re: Comment on UFO

Thank you for providing this information.

If you want to send this directly to Michael Horn he can be reached at michael@theyfly.com

Sincerely,
Derek Bartholomaus

Derek,

Outstanding investigative work, man, and it's no surprise, is it?

Springer, the guy did the same thing with someone's bio on IMDB, trying to claim it was a friend of his, turned out to be completely bogus. But that's his MO.

The sad thing is that all of these revelations will do NOTHING for the few who believe in this nonsense, they'll go on sending in their few paltry dollars for tapes, videos and other assorted Meier sundries.

But don't let that stop you, Derek. You're doing a important thing, and there are some of us who truly appreciate it.

dB

The general counsel of Oregon State University should have a field day with this.

I spoke with a "legal eagle" about this and he said this could get real ugly real fast for MH and company. Especially since they are selling the DVDs.

Derek keep up the excellent work. There's nothing like the truth is there?

Springer...

Originally posted by Springer
The general counsel of Oregon State University should have a field day with this.

I spoke with a "legal eagle" about this and he said this could get real ugly real fast for MH and company. Especially since they are selling the DVDs.

Derek keep up the excellent work. There's nothing like the truth is there?

Springer...

No doubt some many love to get a lawyer involved...and no doubt the Meier case has been beaten to death to all the real truth seekers. Give'um a good kick in the ribs.
Now lets let loose the lawyers on the silly hoxes in this site too....but that might be bad for their business...so whos really dirty, and making a living off this site every day??

I agree. This case has already been beaten to death. It almost seems like the Meier detractors are keeping it alive by continuing to give it attention when there alot more other places to focus the UFO issue on. Just my two cents, but its a free country so have at it. I always get hungry when they start talking about the wedding cake ship.

Originally posted by derekcbart
Thank you, Mr. Bartholomaus, for that helpful information. Your efforts in correcting others' mistakes is laudable. But as to making use of your information directly, I think OSU would prefer to distance itself from this entirely.

Charles

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Charles E. Fletcher
Associate General Counsel
Oregon State University

Well thats a hell of a note. How are they going to "distance" themselves when Horn is trumpeting this all over the damn place.

Originally posted by MrPenny
Well, he is "trumpeting" it to a relatively small section of the population.

Yeah well at least there's that. Most likely you're exactly right, he's too insignificant to bother with.

So, need we say more? The only ISSUE now is that Oregon State University seems to feel as if this is only small potatoes and they will, more than likely, allow it to stay as it is and NOT do anything about it. Perhaps they don't wish to spend any $$$$$ on a CEASE AND DESIST order to have their mis-quoted names removed from the video.

I am SURE that Mr. Horn will SPIN this in his favor by saying, "So why don't they pursue legal action then?" when it is OBVIOUS that LIES have been told... ***sigh*** on MORE THAN ONE occasion!!

edit: I see now that this has already been mentioned... OK.

[edit on 26-3-2008 by Teri Uhouse]

actually, whoever you are, this was MY quintessential wake up call on this case as I was still on the 'FENCE' about it up until a few weeks ago and it is Mr. Horns words which have made up my mind... I am NOT out to get anybody. But the point has been made. This research (with the e-mail) took me no time what so ever so it's no big deal. Otherwise, you are indeed 100% correct and that is/was and always has been my intent, to post this just as a verification to the OTHER research which has been done here and than move on. Well, and actually to do a bit of research as was requested of me after allusions as to my ignorance and lack of better judgment... so I did. That's it. Have a nice day.

PEACE

Originally posted by VisionQuest
You are writing letters to Universities just to prove a quote as false? Why waste your energy?

So are we to understand you wouldn't follow up on a case if claims such as that are made yourself?

It's part of the reason we have to keep going back to revisit the trash of the past..it's never put to bed, unless people like teri and Derek do it. Due to the short memory of Ufology, it has to be said again and again, until it becomes something everyone knows.

I've done my part in it, and I don't regret it. I've personally had enough and moved on, but I'm glad others stand up and say whats has to get said.

Keep it up Teri.



[edit on 26-3-2008 by jritzmann]