Illegal Immigrant Kills 4 Children

Maybe you should check out this snopes article on most of those statistics. I'm sure more have been added since, so it may take snopes a little while to catch up.
www.snopes.com...

I'm not surprised the city journal reported this nonsense without checking it's stats either. They're too conservative for facts anyway.

i've yet to actual see logical validity...



i'm living in a world where their deaths could have been prevented if he had been able to get into this country though a legitimate method instead of being barred by an outright racist immigration system...
that way, he would have had to acquire a legal license, the preparation for which would have probably prevented that

now, should we blame any death caused by a legal immigrant on legal immigration?
your reasoning kind of extends to that as well



actually, that's not necessarily true. you're assuming that something else wouldn't have killed them...
and it's odd that we're not analyzing the situation in which they died.
you're completely ruling out the possibility that the van collided with the bus due to an error on the bus driver's part or that responsibility was equally shared.



rights are inalienable. nobody "deserves" rights, we're ENTITLED to rights
and i'm not talking about giving them away, i specifically said earning them. if the driver of the van was at fault, proper training would have prevented the collision.

does being logical now mean that you completely ignore facts and the arguments against you to boost the appearances of your rhetoric?



now you're lumping all of them into one group?
wow, you're really lacking logic
1 van collision and now all illegals are killing our kids, despite evidence to the contrary that they aren't as criminal as you'd have us believe



it's right out in the open
i sympathize for:
the dead children and injured children
their families
the immigrant
and the immigrant's family

all 4 groups deserve sympathy here.
i'm trying to find a solution that would solve EVERYONE'S problems instead of being an isolationist.




you're right, i was wrong
you actually have a logic deficit

Here is the statistic that NEEDS NO PROOF:

100 % OF ILLEGALS COMMIT CRIMES.

What part of ILLEGAL do those that doubt this, not understand?

Out of curiosity, where have you read otherwise in this thread?

Gosh, it just makes me SO mad at everyone that ran everthing the past 7 years. You too I'm sure.

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And at no point in that statement did the poster say anything about illegal immigrants not committing the crime of entering the country illegally. They just said they commit less murders.

yes, we realize that...but it's a victimless crime

there's no evidence to show that they commit other crimes at higher rates than citizens or immigrants with legal status

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Saying that a group of 20 million people kill less than a group of 300 million is comparing apples to oranges. What would be more meaningful, is a statistic that says that your group of model illegals kill less per unit, than those "wicked' legal citizens kill per unit.

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Like this one?
www.reuters.com...





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Oh, I see, YOU decide what crimes to include in the statistics, and YOU have decided that it is a "victim-less" crime. Well, I beg to differ. There are 300,000,000 victims of these ILLEGAL immigrants, the 300,000,000 of us that have to PAY for those people to live off of our hard-earned taxes that we pay, and that includes as victims, those of us that are LEGAL immigrants, and pay our taxes, and OBEY the law- ALL the laws of this country.

Let's say you get your way, and allow anyone that wants to come into this country illegally. At some point, there are as many of them, as there are of us. So lets say you're in the 25% federal tax bracket, add another 15.3% for both halves of FICA(your half and the employers half- which if you're self employed-is you), 6% for state, and maybe a couple of % for local income tax. That works out to about 50%. Now to pay for the 300,000,000 freeloaders(yes, that's what they are), your taxes now are 100%. You work all year for NOTHING, just to pay for these freeloaders.

Get real. These people are CRIMINALS, by every definition of the word. They don't deserve to be just deported, but detained, tried, convicted, and forced to pay restitution to this country for the harm that they have committed against the United States and its people. PERIOD.
Have a nice day.

That's 'funny' math if I ever saw it...

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Actually, if you read the article, it says that illegals comprise a smaller percentage of the prison population. That is understandable, since they live in an underground network, and are protected by fellow illegals. They hop back across the border, when pursued, and our agents and police are not allowed to follow them. In fact, recent articles state the that Mexican "police" are actually assisting the illegals at the border.
Ah, yes, NAFTA, what a boon that has been to the US and our economy. The "free" flow of goods back and forth between the US and Mexico, only the goods that they meant were illegals in carved out niches in cars, trucks and wagons.
By the way, the article is posted from San Franscico, a "sanctuary" city.

Again, since, 100% of illegals commit crimes (that is the definition of ILLEGAL), the article's claim would only be true, if 101% of legal citizens committed crimes.

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Oh really, tell me where it is wrong. Those figures are the average for the median income of a family in the United States. If the budget doubles, then the tax burden doubles, unless you want to double our ridiculous national debt from over 9 trillion dollars to 18 trillion.

Oh, but I forgot, you won't have to worry about it, only your children and grandchildren.

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I think you know what is meant by smaller percentage of crime. That means crime that matters, like assault, robbery, murder and such. Victimless crimes, like illegally entering the US, jaywalking, drug use and panhandling don't really count.

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My kids won't need to worry if the government were to wise up to its spending habits. Reduce military expenditures and salaries for politicians. Promote economic growth in Mexico though investments in Mexican based companies, and so on. Can you imagine the benefit in having first world nations to the north and south of the US?

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I guess you didn't read my post above, about "victim-less crimes".

Here is a link:
www.fairus.org...
and here is an except from it.