Kent Hovind EVOLUTION booklet

Hovind is popular because their is a demand for proof of religious beliefs for which he is the supply. Simple economics. If there is a demand then someone will provide a supply.

Kent Hovind.com does have the supposed 'everything to discredit Hovind, but have you really read it?

His name is unimportant call him dude, hey, sir, etc. His name is irrelevant.

Hovind is a liar, making money from lies he sells to gullible people who want to hear his lies.

He begins his series of several hundred lies on page for of the Acrobat document: "Some people believe in the evolution theory, which teaches that we all came from a rock 4.6 billion years ago." Great big lie.

Isn’t that what Evolution teaches? Hovind isn’t a liar, he states his opinion, if that is lying then I guess everybody is wrong.

Hovind has several conspiracy theories about the U.S. government. He believes that Laetrile actually works as a "cancer cure" and teaches that the US government is conspiring to suppress a cure for cancer.[22] On his radio program he has said that the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks and that a "lot of folks were told not to come to work."[67] He also believes the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by the government. "Did you know the Federal Government blew up their own building to blame it on the militias and to get rid of some people that weren't cooperating with the system?"[68] He also alleges that "UFOs are apparitions of Satan" and that the US government possesses UFOs.[68] Additionally, Hovind believes that the Federal Reserve, the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations, and various other groups are actively planning to create a one world government and that the 1993 World Trade Center attack was staged by the US Government in order to pass "anti-terrorism" legislation that restricts civil liberties. He says, "I love my country, but fear my government. And you should too."[69]

As part of his "one world government" conspiracy theory, Hovind also believes that HIV, West Nile Fever, Gulf war syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's were all engineered by "the money masters and governments of the world" for the purpose of global economic domination.

Thanks for the post but we are talking about Hovind’s evolution theories. Bringing up other stuff only increases the moving away from the original subject.

It would benefit you to read the articles again. The authors DO NOT propose that life evolved FROM rocks.

Are you engaged in spreading lies as well?

Spreading lies? Actually they said that : A naturally occurring organophilic zeolite--called mutinaite--was recently discovered in Antarctica, and Smith thinks that this
mineral could provide the key to the chemical evolution that led to the origin of life

To me that is called proposing (putting it out there) that life may have started from that thing.

So is Hovind really that stupid or does does he just do it for a joke?

It's really a case of spot the fact amongst the lies, out of date information, missing information, general non sequiters and other misleading nonsense .......




And I love the way he claims something didn't happen, fails to provide the information that shows it did happen, and then offers an alternative explanation with no evidence whatsoever to support it other than the word of the Almighty Ken Hovind (just see his imaginary lake which suddenly drained in a matter of weeks to form the Grand Canyon as a good example! )

Could you list the lies. And give an example of how he claims something that didn’t happen. With the Grand Canyon he says correctly that people believe that the river cut through it and then he says I believe that is wrong and gives his explanation.

You are as wrong as Hovind and either are unable to comprehend the material or are purposefully attempting to deceive.

The method proposed in the articles is not suggesting "life came from rocks" period. By claiming the material say otherwise, you're promoting falsehoods.

Looking at the article you should see that they propose that in fact life came from something mineral like. So what is the article proposing?

Regarding the apparent irreducible complexity o

apparent irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum, he is wrong. Bacterial mutations exist which retain movement so in this case, we have to reject Hovind's and Behe's argument.

I don’t quite understand what you said. Could you elaborate?

(emphasis mine)

The statement "on the surfaces of" that I emphasized above should be a sufficient statement for anyone with a rudimentary reading comprehension to understand.

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Again, a clearly expressed statement, "could have been facilitated", is of sufficient clarity for those with basic reading comprehension skills.


Those who are not attempting to twist basic words into deceptive falsehoods will understand these statements to clearly indicate the hypothesis presented is not suggesting "life came from rocks".

On the surface of? So when is on the surface of a rock not considered part of the rock? What is it suggesting?

Good grief. This guys problem with evolution is that it gives him a moral crisis because if no-one is telling him how to be nice to people, he doesn't see the point?

His little list on page 7 was wonderful. Yes, each point was true. The utter, cold, uncaring truth. It is a shame the universe is like that, but what are you gonna do?

Man should be proud of the achievements he makes for himself, like the concepts of mercy, justice, charity and love. Why should we feel like we should pass the kudos for these incredible feats to someone else? We did it, we should pat ourselves on the back.

I don’t quite understand what you are getting at, please explain.

Steve, any chance you could edit your posts and use the [quote ] [/ quote] feature to indicate which are your comments and which are those of other members to whom you're responding? Only as it stands it's a bit confusing

handbook.abovetopsecret.com...

There, fixed up but I can't delete my previous posts. Any help here guys? My answers are different from the previous 2 posts.




An idiot? Why, because he posts material contradicting your opinion? Until the evolution theory is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, I will hold to my opinion and say that evolution is false.



So is the burden of proof on you if evolution is found to be false? If you want to believe little green fairies exist, that’s fine. Just don’t go around stating it as a fact unless you have proof (facts) that little green fairies exist.



Contradictions? Please elaborate on your point and provide information on where you believe there is contradictions. What do all organized religions do? To you God may be a preposterous thing but to me I find it quite valuable. And don’t use that “well I can’t see him so He isn’t here”. Do you use that same logic to discuss gravity? Or Air?

On that point I disagree with Hovind. Just because you don’t follow a religion doesn’t mean you’re a horrible person; although it does give wiggle room for a person to say “well there isn’t a God so I can do anything I want and I won’t get in trouble for it”.

If you have sinned God can forgive you, that is why He came down from Earth and died on the cross. Being born is not a sin, correct me on that other Christian followers. Not necessarily. Our entire life isn’t meant just to worship God, although I believe we are meant to worship every Sunday and kept the 4th commandment. Our life was meant to be the happiest experience we could ever have. I heard somewhere that Earth is the best place for those who don’t believe in a God and the worst place for those who do believe in God; compared to where we are going.

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His little list on page 7 was wonderful. Yes, each point was true. The utter, cold, uncaring truth. It is a shame the universe is like that, but what are you gonna do?

Man should be proud of the achievements he makes for himself, like the concepts of mercy, justice, charity and love. Why should we feel like we should pass the kudos for these incredible feats to someone else? We did it, we should pat ourselves on the back.

Ok, guys lets stop casting our pearls before the swine. This guy is obviously brainwashed and incapable of questioning himself. We are all on a path toward enlightenment. Some just aren't as far along as others.

I can't imagine why you would stoop to calling other people names. I believe your comment is an indication of your refusal to discuss the topic and failure to even fight for what you believe in.

Brainwashed and incapable of questioning myself? How so? You throw around insults and refuse to clarify your reasoning.

You're right, we are all on a path of enlightenment. Some people just haven't found it yet. Let's get back on the subject of Evolution v. Creation and not detour any further