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reply posted on 22-4-2008 @ 07:54 PM by doctorex
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
The greek word for "kill" is apokteinO..
It is the same in both places, in other words, the killing is physical, not spiritual.

ie the Two Witnesses will kill by miraculous power (not by guns), and at the end of their ministry they will be martyred.

This will be NECESSARY. When it says " if any man will hurt them" : it's not talking about "verbal persecution", it's talking about people trying to lay hands on them to throw them in jail or to kill them. Their (the 2 witnesses) response will be to "slay them" with a word. This will done, in order that they may proceed with their work. It will not be indiscrimate killing just for the heck of it.

I do not see RW doing this any day soon.


Nobody has tried to kill them yet.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
So far...
No plagues
No rivers of blood.
No breathing fire (I can accept that this part is figurative, but the death of their enemies will be physical and real)


This takes place over a 3 1/2 year period. This has only just begun, and we are still in the passover season.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
1/3 Trees on earth, still here.
100% Grass on earth, still here.



The Bibile does not directly say it will be 1/3 of tree/grass over the whole earth (and before you quote, check into the greek meaning of the word earth, it also means fixed boundary, as in a single country). And Ron said this will happen in the next 7 weeks, he didn't say it should have already happened.

Why not be patient until the time passes, then you can sream false prohet to your hearts content, without possibly digging yourself into a hole?


reply posted on 22-4-2008 @ 08:05 PM by ThePiemaker
reply to post by doctorex


Weren't his original statements proven wrong? So you're just waiting for him to be proven wrong again, right?


reply posted on 22-4-2008 @ 09:13 PM by daggyz
I've been watching this discussion and others. Of course nothing has happened but the earth will continue to quake all over - that's what it is constantly doing. However, before 18th I was sure RW would wait until Pentecost. I'm right, but that doesn't make me a Prophet 'although being a Profit might be nice!', I was wondering; if nothing significant happens on May 11th will he wait for the Eastern date others use for Pentecost which is June 15th. And if nothing happens then what other excuse would come?
I predict that RW will be proven false (genuine no doubt but false none the less) and I'd like everyone to send me money and join my new church of disbelief which will be disbanded no later than 15th June as it will no longer be needed.
Seriously though, many of you have quoted scripture. So did Satan, and very correctly too I might add. Quoting scripture or knowing it means you know the logos word. RW claims to have Rhema word - but now we'll have to wait till June.... hopefully there will be no more stalling after that...

There is one thing that is certain. The earth is changing and stuff will continue to happen, but if I were to say "God has given me the authority and bad things will happen this year" all I would need to do is wait until a minor earthquake appears and say "See I told you". But if I were to say RW will die of say Stomach cancer, and he did... that would be noteworthy. Specifics are what shows or reveals a true prophet. So far...(and who knows maybe he'll get lucky)... there is absolutley nothing of evidence.
A good heart no doubt but I'm very worried about his mind. Many many people have been deluded thinking they were doing Gods work, history is full of them.
So let's see what June brings shall we???? No wait... Oh it s ok, a truck passing shook the house a bit.


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 12:07 PM by jdposey
reply to post by ZeroDignity


I don't think Paul would take lightly concerning what you suggest about sitting back quietly and allowing the deceivers to move on freely deceiving. That is called lukewarmness.

It just amazes me how everyone looks past Weinland being a False Witness (Prophet) and thinking he has hit it on the head in regard to interpreting scripture accurately. Some will conclude, "Well, aside from being wrong about himself and wife, he is a GREAT bible teacher and understands the word of God so accurately.” Oil does not mix with water, nor can a false prophet put out any amount of sound truth where the understanding of scripture is concerned. A sound doctrine, established in truth, does not produce false prophets, like Herbert W. Armstrong, Ronald Weinland and Mrs. Weinland.

As far as Ronald Weinland and his wife go, and their being the two final witnesses, I tend to think we are back at the beginning, you know, Adam and Eve, and we know how well that went.

Now we have the husband deceiving the wife. Question is, where does the serpent come in?

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reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 01:09 PM by Locoman8
reply to post by jdposey


What zerodignity was talking about was the fact that because Weinland was a preacher for a church with the Church of God background, he preaches the bible the way it was intended. WCG was a flop because of their leader H.W. Armstrong and PKG is a flop because of RW. The fact of the matter is that these guys actually preached the word right. It started going south when they claimed to be prophets. It doesn't take a genius to preach truth about the bible and these two men were far from geniuses. One only needs to look at the original Church of God founded by Christ and his diciples. Anything after that church was a folly and it started with the Catholic church which spread into the protestant churches (baptist, methodist, pentacostal, evangelical).


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 01:58 PM by ZeroDignity
reply to post by jdposey


jdposey,
it's true that we shouldn't let deceivers to roam freely; however, we should prevent that by informing the truth to other people, not stoning the false prophets. Now, I never knew Armstrong, I only read things about Armstrong. I was born in the 80s, that's why I never knew Armstrong. Nevertheless, I think that people shouldn't judge RW according to what Armstrong did or preached. Allow me to point out a few points there.

If you judge RW according to Armstrong work, you should disqualify Paul as a true apostle because he was a mass murderer and persecutor of Christ. Now, if RW claims that he was blinded by strange lights, heard the divine words of Jesus, and started preaching, would you consider RW as a liar? I bet you would, wouldn't you? Now the Bible shows examples of God using people that we would condemn to the end of the earth, Some examples: adulterer (king David), liar (Jacob), murderer (Moses and Paul), and many others. If you were there in the 1st century, i think you would regard Paul as a false apostle because he used to be mass murderer. Don't you think that God could use RW for the glory of God regardless if RW is a true or false prophet?

I know that RW holds to Armstrong teaching. You claim that Armstrong made false predictions. Have you ever thought that Armstrong was simply ahead of his time and could make mistakes about predictions? Actually, that's what happened to John in the Bible... He preached and taught that the time was at hand, that the age was going to end (was going to happen in that generation) yet nothing global happened except the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Does that make John a false prophet as well? I would answer no... John was just ahead of his time and thinking; he didn't know that many things still needed to be fulfilled which we are witnessing now. I agree that God works by revelations, and He reveals to those whom He wishes to reveal. Some people understand some parts of the revelations but noone knows the whole picture yet.


reply posted on 23-4-2008 @ 02:43 PM by jdposey
reply to post by ZeroDignity



Thanks for sharing you thoughts and allowing me to understand where you are coming from with your previous statement. If you ask me if I think Ronald Weinland could still be used by God where any amount of truth is concerned, my answer would have to be, no . He is being used wonderfully for achieving deception though. Fulfilling Jesus’ own words regarding False Prophets arising in the end time.

As for your, attempting to justify what you believe by your comparisons with Paul, King David, Jacob, Moses, I ask you, what did all of these have in common? Yes, they were not boastful, self proclaimed Prophets. I don’t listen to what Mr. Weinland is saying about himself, or, how highly he regards himself (One of Two Witnesses), what I do listen to is the teaching coming out of his mouth. This is how you judge. If his teaching and fruit bear anything, it is what he has become, an offshoot of Herbert W. Armstrong, only more delusional in his self appointed stature.

Like I stated before, if anyone thinks any ounce of truth can produce a false prophet, then they need to back track and realize, error comes via error, error does not come via truth. An apple tree can not produce a lemon. Only lemons produce lemons and, Weinland’s doctrine (Church of God-PKG) is the lemon tree and the fruit we see is Weinland, Just as Armstrong’s doctrine (Worldwide Church of God) was a lemon and produced Armstrong. Weinland’s roots stem from Armstrong and the two, you can not separate, when arriving at sound judgement where doctrine and error are concerned. Both doctrine’s as well as each man, were and are, steeped in error, hence, this is why we see the boasting that we do with Weinland and have in the past with Armstrong.
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